Do you really think my English is that good to pretend to be American?

My posts are as anti-American as yours are.
In fact, if a Chinese, Russian, Turk, German or anybody else would use “the first”, “ever’, “the only” “the largest”, “the most” etc. to explain his/her political views on his country’s international politics, my comments would be just the same. Would you call my posts then anti-Chinese or anti-Russian? Or would you rather call them anti-fascist? Would you agree with my comments in that case?

To explain the lack of social programs in the US, Americans bring one of the main principles of their land: everybody is responsible for him/herself.
Why to help other countries then if you don’t want to help the poor back home?

I don’t believe in disinterestedness of your government (and I wonder why the Americans do). Quite another matter that I don’t see anything wrong with it. A government MUST think of interests of the country it serves first and last. All the empires killed millions of people for their interest and the only country that never did that is the US? Do you really believe that your country is white and downy? What is more childish: to post comments like mine or to believe that crap? (excuse my language)

So, why to hide US interests under “we as the most powerful nation have to bring freedom and democracy to… liberty… constitution… human rights…democratic (read: American) values…blah-blah-blah…we…We…WE.., WEEEEEE!!!” The US government did cooperate with authoritarian and dictatorial regimes in its interests and still does. Your country is not Saint Paul or Mother Theresa. Why to fool the others? And why do Americans let the government to fool them? Why let your president lie from the high rostrum?

I really expected to find polar opinions in the US, the land of free will and speech. Unfortunately… people oppressed by their governments in other countries have more diverse opinions.

Call me anti-government, anti-American government, anti-liarsofpolitics, but I am in no way anti-American. I really enjoy the music of Gershwin and Webber and Theodor Driser and Jack London are among my favorite writers.
I do enjoy visiting the US, the hospitality and good manners of Americans, well organized systems and many other things I can’t think of right now. Your country is great, but let the others have a chance to say that.

Here is my point, usinkorea. You are welcome to tear quotes apart. It’s my responsibility to explain every aspect of my opinion if I am confident enough to post it on a discussion forum, isn’t it?

Almost forgot. Mike, you mentioned Americans landing in Normandy. You never bothered to provide the date (as a journalist, though, I appreciate your clever move bringing the year of 1941 for inattentive reader).

Americans landed in Normandy in June, 1944.
By that time German Army was condemned.


Female. Cosmopolitan.

First here is some news of our terrible foreign policy:

Number of U.S. personnel helping with quake relief to exceed 1,000
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?s...&article=32500

Sure, Europe never assists dictators, only America. How about Chirac and Saddam? Trivia: who built a nuclear reactor for Iraq? I won't waste my time teaching you by showing pictures of Saddam in Chirac or the countless other dictators Europe has either produced or supported. Type in Chirac and Saddam in google and let me know what you find.

Ah yes, the French had "condemned" Germany since 1941 and Hitler was just about to break! Please enlighten me on how Germany was about to fall before the D-Day invasion. There are about 5,000 history professors that I will have to notify to tell them they are teaching the wrong stuff.

I would also suggest you actually read at least one page on WWII history before you start posting on this subject again. To say Germany was already done before the invasion at Normandy simple shows your lack of knowledge. Brush up and try again in a few weeks. Michael Moore is not a historical, so reading his books won't help.

Ivoire, I flamed you before because you weren't even attempting a legitimate debate.

I'll commend you now for actually putting forth some developed thought, especially if English isn't your primary language.

I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you saying the US should be more involved or less involved in international politics? You're right that every country should act in its own national interest. Hence the inaction by most of the West during the Rwanda genocide. I don't think anyone here thinks the US is perfect. Clearly, in pursuing national security interests over the last fifty years, the US has made mistakes and backed some shady characters. But, like it or not, the US (not by itself) has been instrumental in securing peace and freedom throughout the world. You can say that no one asked to be "free", but I'd venture that those people who've been freed from oppressive regimes would tell you that they never had the opportunity to ask in the first place. The convoluted schemes and conspiracies should be left to the kooks since there is no evidence of any of that.

Bottomline, I think the US should continue to pursue its national interests, one of which is fostering an international environment of freedom and free trade. The rest of the world will continue to criticize, but that shouldn't stop us from trying to do what is right (an admittedly hazy concept).

And as for WWII, US involvement did not begin with Normandy. US forces fought in the Pacific, China, North Africa, Italy, and the skies over Europe well before that. Although Russia played a huge role in defeating Germany, both fronts were needed to ensure defeat. Ask an Englishman who lived during the Blitz if he was glad to have American forces in country.

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"what makes you think that the U.S. made any certain impact in either of those wars? Check the stats and them history. Both wars were decided prior to the U.S. entering into decisive operations."

Good lord!!

As for the contributions, look into how the numbers are cooked up.

Things like Bosnia or Kosovo are not added. Or, the expense of keeping troops in South Korea securing the peace in one of the most economically sensitive regions on the earth.

When the US doesn't send aid through elements of the UN or it keeps US troops under US command rather than a joint UN command (which is always), the UN, and others who want to pretend the US is the richest most stingy nation on earth, will conviently drop the mammoth costs of such undertakings from their figures.

Speaking of backing dictators, check out today’s news.

October 27, 2005
U.N. to Detail Kickbacks Paid for Iraq's Oil
By WARREN HOGE
UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 26 - More than 4,500 companies took part in the United Nations oil-for-food program and more than half of them paid illegal surcharges and kickbacks to Saddam Hussein, according to the independent committee investigating the program.

The country with the most companies involved in the program was Russia, followed by France, the committee says in a report to be released Thursday. The inquiry was led by Paul A. Volcker, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/in...gewanted=print

Notice how Ivoire refused to address my point in his response.....

When will he take the time to type out a coherent, supported point?

usinkorea,

I am a female.

And.... uhm... excuse me? To address your point? To who?


You didn't read my post.How do you know if my point is coherent or not?

I read the whole story in other media. Where other countries were presented too.
The correspondent could put other countries in his report, but he didn't. Why?
It seems like you often have a part of a story, not the whole. You know, things look different from that perspective.

Do not misrepresent my words.
May be for you the whole war was on Pasific since 1941 and only in the countries were American soldiers were.
But for the rest it started in 1939 and conducted mainly in Europe.
Americans stepped on Normandy in June, 1944.
5 years after the war started and less than 1 year before it ended.
Check the status of German Army for that period yourself, if you want to.

Yes, and is Google a secret knowledge or weapon here?
I do Google search when I need to.
This conversation is not the case.