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Bear,

I was referring to the images showing nations and contributions. I thought that was the image whose size caused the display problem. I'll check out another thread where you post to see...

On the Europe thing, the original statement that the war was decided before the US got into it is ridiculous beyond belief --- unless you consider at some point before the US was brought in, a status quo had been established between Germany and England -- that Germany had lost the battle for Britain and given up on an invasion and had decided to hunker down in France and other occupied lands.

Dismissing the US participation in the war by pointing to a 2nd front not being opened before D-Day is also ridiculously weak --- unless you are Russian or following Stalin's line.

There are plenty of reasons a 2nd front was not opened early in the war.

The multi-volume history of the war by Winston Churchill is a pretty good reference to the arguments of the time.
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Bear,

Yup. It appears to be you.
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I'm with you on the images. I'll keep bugging Mike to figure out how to wrap the trophies so that my posts don't stretch the page beyond the screen...

By the way, I was thinking that would make an interesting discussion as to what would've happened had the western front not been opened. Would Stalin still have been able to defeat Germany and if so, could he have conquered Germany? Personally, I don't think so. The Russian winter and lack of supplies would've pushed the Germans back, but I don't see the Red Army fighting as well outside of Mother Russia.
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The comment about asking for help was meant to be sarcastic. Those countries occupied by Germany didn't request help...obviously they couldn't.
Uhm... it's not. They obviously could.

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why would a second front be so important if the war was already decided?
Let me put it this way - by the summer of 1943 the German Army lost the strategical initiative and was only holding the line.
Is this when the US soldiers appeared in North Africa?

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Interesting. Can I ask you to explain how you understand that?

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unless you are Russian.
Are you sure it's because of me mentioning the second front? Or because the US supplied with weapons and provisions the Soviets' army only?

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following Stalin's line.
Are you still scared of commies?
They don't exsist.

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The multi-volume history of the war by Winston Churchill is a pretty good reference to the arguments of the time
The Military History of World War II is also pretty interesting.
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I don't see the Red Army fighting as well outside of Mother Russia.
And who took over Poland, Romania, Baltic countries, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Albania and Yugoslavian contries?

You do make good points on the Pasific part of the WWII.
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Well, we're back to the glib responses...

I guess you could say Germany was only "holding the line" in Europe by 1943, but there sure wasn't much of Europe left to conquer. I guess I could buy that if you're talking about the Eastern front. Nevertheless, the Allies landed in Morocco in late 1942 and were moving into Italy by Summer of 1943.

Also, the Red Army that took most of Eastern Europe was fighting a German Army being sapped by a two-front war. Without that second-front, Germany would have been much stronger. I think they'd still be pushed out of Russia and would probably lose Eastern Europe, but I also think the German army would have dug in and held their homeland. Russia wouldn't have the power projection needed to conquer Germany without that second front.

By the way, neorealism is a thoery that international order is maintained by states looking solely after their own interests and according to the power available to them. It was proposed by Kenneth Waltz. I think there's some merit to this theory, but it's a little too black and white for me (like most theories).
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Well, we're back to the glib responses...
On the other forums it is considered normal practice.

You are welcome to quote my posts for "glib" responce.

And by the way, what do you do if you have a comment or answer for this specific sentence?

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Allies landed in Morocco in late 1942 and were moving into Italy by Summer of 1943.
(whispering) It was with British Army.

But you would agree that on last pages the WWII conversation is very different form how it started earlier, wouldn't you?

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By the way, neorealism is a thoery that international order is maintained by states looking solely after their own interests
Neorealism isn't a theory. But the theory you are talking about is a part of neorealism.
I think you are simplifying it a little.
Have you taken philosophy or political science class?
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Only the Brits were in the invasion of North Africa in 1942?

For someone who keeps telling everybody else their comments have little value because they don't know enough (about history, philsophy, or whatever), you sure do seem to throw out some unsubstantiated whoppers......

Which is why it would be nicer if you would take the time to write out more detailed posts and even throw in some sources, because I want to check out ones like those that would show me how the US was not involved in North Africa at the end of 1942.

(I'm pretty sure my grandfather took part in the fictious landings.....)
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