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Old 10-28-2005, 02:14 PM
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If you were more attentive you would have noticed the preposition "with" right next to "the British Army". That preposition means that there is (are) smth. or smb. else. In this case the US soldiers.

As to the "unsubstantiated whoppers"...

None of you provided a source to check either.

So far the source I am using is the knowledge I got in the history class in high school and reading. It's hard to bring this two on the forum.

I could refer to the books and authors, but the ones I remember are not in English.

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Old 10-28-2005, 02:25 PM
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It was with British Army.
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Only the Brits were in the invasion of North Africa in 1942?
See the difference?
The rest of your post is irrelevant.

I don't understand why I should take the time to type long detailed posts.
I think I sound pretty understandable.

A one-line point requires laconism.
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Old 10-28-2005, 02:32 PM
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What info do you need? ASL? And why?

It's a virtual discussion. I don't know anything about people - I am talking to - either.
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Old 10-28-2005, 02:34 PM
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Except for the citizenship.
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Neorealism is indeed a theory in every international relations text I've read. Since you asked, I have a Masters in IR, so I do feel comfortable saying that. There is certainly more to neorealism than just what I mentioned, and yes I am simplifying it. Given the context of the conversation, I was just stating that I thought your viewpoint was a little black and white. I didn't think that a full blown discussion of neorealism was warranted.

Ref Wikipedia here.

I don't follow your comments about the British in North Africa. My original post was that the Allies landed in late 1942. I didn't say just the US, but the US was a major part of this invasion. What are you getting at? Are you saying the US wasn't in the invasion? Or that they didn't play a major part?
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I'll stick with Bear's comment on the 1942 issue.

If you were not stating the US was not part of the invasion in 1942, I really don't see what point you are trying to make.

It sounds now like you are saying you meant that the US was just part of the invasion force. But, wasn't your point in bringing up Africa that the US did not take part in the war until it was already decided and in the invasion at Normandy in 1945? That the US was not a factor and/or sat it out in Europe until 1945?
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the Korean Peninsula are most dagners in Asia.
The build-up of armaments in this region is creating an explosive warehouse.
high growth of China economy and military strength,
Japanese militarism and economic power.
Are you want to the World War ?
Are you want to a Globe end ?
a Human many make mistakes in order to learn for PEACE.

PEACE : 평화

한국은 평화를 원한다. 한국은 전쟁을 원하지 않는다.
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the Korean Peninsula are most dagners in Asia.
The build-up of armaments in this region is creating an explosive warehouse.
high growth of China economy and military strength,
Japanese militarism and economic power.
Are you want to the World War ?
Are you want to a Globe end ?
a Human many make mistakes in order to learn for PEACE.

PEACE : 평화

한국은 평화를 원한다. 한국은 전쟁을 원하지 않는다.
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Just some quick facts

Normally I would not get involved in such a pythonesque repose.
"This is not an argument you are merely being contradictive" "No I’m not"
"Yes you are", and so on. However, I would like to point out some glaring mistakes in the suede history facts being presented in this thread. I am reminded of similar conversations in which the antagonist would argue that the holocaust never "actually" took place but was merely a western propaganda piece. That being said let me state some simple and easily verified facts, that is if one is willing to look them up and not rely on
Joe smith’s library of liberal facts for arguments.

1938-1940 at conferences such as The Pan American Conference on Oct 2nd and the Pan American Defense Board in March of the same year The U.S had
Already stated the nations intent to side with the allies in defense of the western hemisphere and its intent to supply war goods to allied nations.

In Sept 1940 the U.S passed the selective service act paving the way for a significantly increased military. During the same month the U.S. acquired
Naval and Air Bases in New Foundland, Bermuda, The Bahamas and at least 20 other staging areas in preparation for forward movement and possible
defense in reaction to Axis moves.

In Oct of 1940 the U.S. destroyers Kearny and Rueben James were both
torpedoed by axis elements (the Rueben James was lost with substantial
loss of life)

July 7th 1941, U.S. forces relieve British Forces in Iceland and set up naval and air faculties and assume combat defense positions (Some 1300 U.S. members died in this operation), Although war had not been declared this was approved by the U.S Congress based on a pact of mutual defense with the British.

Of Course in December of 1941 we did "finally" get involved as is quoted
in most accepted history books.

Nov 8th 1942 U.S. and British expeditionary forces landed in French North Africa. 850 ships (mostly U.S.) the British 8th army and U.S. forces commanded by and including Eisenhower and Patton (who could forget him).

1942:
Feb 22; Kasserine Pass (U.S.-German battle)
Feb 25; U.S. begins supplying 100,000 tons per month to Russia via Iran
Mar 18; U.S. forces capture El Guettar in Tunisia
Mar 30: British forces break through the Mareth Line into southern Tunisia
effectively ending German operations in Africa

1943:
Jul 10: U.S., British and Canadian forces invade Sicily, 2,000 vessels,
160,000 men. U.S. seize Gela, The British and Canadians forces seize
Cape Passaro and drive northward along the eastern coast.
Sept 3: U.S. and British forces cross the Messina straights and begin
the liberation of Italy.

I could go on and on but the point I am trying to make is the U.S. was involved in WWII and did have a substantial effect on the allied success. Do I need to mention Operations in the Pacific, Burma, The Middle East, The Bombing raids over Germany from 1942 to 1945 in which 6 out of 10 U.S. aviators were either wounded or killed.

My history professor, Dr. Hyungdai Lee, PHD., stated this best. He held up
backpack and asked what we saw, he then went on to state the students
saw the front of it while he saw the rear. The real meaning behind the
backpack was revealed when opened it up and showed its contents.

History is like that, very subjective, you can choose a liberal or a conservative stance or you can look at the facts.

Has America made blunders in our political History, you damn right we have.
But then so has every other nation on the face of the earth. I would state that a majority of our actions are put forth with no malice of forethought, granted we have done some things that we are not proud of but we have stood up and taken responsibility for them how many countries can say that? Japan, FRANCE? the former Soviet Union? I think not.

You are now released to continue your python-like diatribe
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:17 AM
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Well, thank you very much for the permission.

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you can choose a liberal or a conservative stance or you can look at the facts.
Why didn't you mention that in 1941-1943 up to %70 of German army was positioned on the East, facts' advocate?

You are missing my point and are preaching to the converted.
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