The majority of people who read this forum most likely already know what “juicy girls” are. Most likely, the first thing anyone thinks, in relation to ethics, is that it is indeed wrong. However, there are certain factors that lead me to think that our other brains ignore any moral dilemma, and proceed to promote this unethical business model.

There are good arguments that justify the promotion of this type of business… arguments that can almost convince one to a point where it is conscientiously right (of which I will try to explain). With this hand-waving in mind, the subsequent continuance of this “practice” remains. For extra understanding, I’ll try to exhibit the pros and cons through a common story:

Meet Jane Doe, she is from what is considered a middle class family in the Philippines. Much like most economically struggling countries, the middle class is of a lesser percentage in the population (i.e. the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer). Although her family is better off than most, the combined average income of her family is approximately $180 per month. Jane wants to help her family, but she is a female (and a fairly decent looking one at that). She heard from a friend that there are openings in Korea to work as a singer in a club, and that the pay is a whopping $200 a month. Getting an overseas job in order to support the family is not an uncommon thing in the Philippines. Of course there are additional details (plane tickets/lodging/food costs), but even with these extra deductions, she will be making a significant contribution to her family.

The following week, Jane has filled all of the appropriate paperwork for an E6 visa (this is an entertainment visa), and is well on her way to becoming a respectable singer at a club…

Two months later, Jane has become accustomed to wearing a two-piece while dancing in front of drunken GI’s. She gets one day off per month, and works until sunrise. She has regular customers, and on occasion, these customers will pay for her day off (which is commonly known as a “bar-fine”). Some will pay it off with one thing on their mind (a hotel and a nice conversation… right?). Some will pay it off with the kindness of their hearts (suckers). She hasn’t had a problem with saying “no” to most of the military folk, but usually succumbs to the persistent ones.

Once curfew hits… business is not over. For some girls, curfew is a blessing. For others, it’s time to start worrying.

Most military members don’t know that after curfew, the juice bars are a hangout spot for the local Koreans (some visit from the big town), many of which will pretend to be mafia members in order to scare the workers, many who aren’t pretending. The bar managers have a system, a “bar-fine” quota to meet, if you will (which is actually illegal, depending on the customers intent or the managers motive). The more locals that visit these establishments after military curfew usually hints which establishments have more questions of legality. In any case, Jane has also become accustomed to being “raped” by “customers”. However, she needs the money, and finds hope of breaking away through marriage with an American

This is the life of Jane Doe and many more. There are so many more details that have been left out… I can write forever on this subject, which actually shows the extent of problems that lie within this type of business. Any drink bought, any food bought, or any time you even enter one of these establishments… is only contributing to the continuance of this unethical practice.

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This is a very good subject.

I don’t buy the fact that these girls thought they were going to be singers for several reasons.

First, the line, “you will be a singer in Korea”, can only work for so long. There have been thousands of girls that have come and gone to Korea. Don’t you think the word would have gotten back to the Philippines by now that you will not be singing? This is a line the girls use to make you feel bad for them.

Second, I have talked to many juicy girls. They are the most manipulative girls I have ever talked to. They string along dozens of guys at a time. I always asked, “Let me see your phone.” And they would ask, “Why?” I wanted to see how many guys n their phone book.

Now, I have heard it is bad for them after the GIs go home. I have also heard from guys that have been to the Philippines (I have never been) that it is much better in Korea than being a “working girl” in the Philippines. They are abused far worse in the Philippines from what I understand and Korea is a good deal.

I do feel bad for the girls, but I also know most knew what they were getting into and are living a better life than if they were working in the Philippines.

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Ooooh!!! I took a wrong turn into a part of town in the Philippines once...a frightening experience. I've never been so afraid of so many small, half naked women coming at me. They'd literally touch/grab you everywhere, fronting like they are pulling you into their bars for business, but in reality they are trying to snatch your wallet and jewelry. Shoot, I felt violated!

Anyway, I agree with Logic's boycott of these unethical practices. It's one of those things we know about, but don't want to think about. Good thing for me is it won't really affect as much on my conscience since I don't visit any bars.

I also agree with mike's warning(?) that these girls are not always the poor, innocent victims. But I don't want to get into too much detail on that. I know some may be offended by it. Just be careful.

As with any unethical business there are many sides to the spectrum on this one. The story I’ve portrayed actually exists on a very realistic scale. Although many of these females are manipulative, it’s because they come from a manipulative world. Although many of their customers are gullible, it’s because they come from an oblivious world… the notion that they are completely innocent is indeed a fallacy, but also arguably that they are.

I’ve lived in areas of the Philippines with my family which are considered the “slums”, and areas that aren’t. I remember staying a month in Tondo (South Central LA of Manila). It took time to get used to staying in a one room apartment with ten others… waking up and stomaching the stench that roamed the streets everyday. I remember seeing a young boy dressed as a girl, trying to flirt with older men in an alleyway, who was closely followed by his gay older brother. I remember seeing the “squatters” (people who live in shacks made with a combination of cardboard and sheet metal) taking baths by using a pale and a large bucket of dirty water. Survival “methods” slowly turn day-to-day routine with each new generation in a struggling country. However, this particular area is not the main “spawning” ground for human trafficking. Applying for overseas E6 visas has become increasingly hard… and the resume more demanding in order to prevent this type of business to infect desperate low class females. Nonetheless, the filter still doesn’t work so well. There are females who know they might become prostitutes, and know they’re going to spend most of their time dancing in a skimpy outfit inside of a dark club. Why sell your body for a couple bucks at home when you can make ten times the amount in a foreign country? This is the reality that a countries past dictatorship has cursed the lower class with. Is there any way around this, and the real question, does it still make this right?

The most memorable moment that I flash back to every time I question this reality, is a moment spent in the “province”. The “province” is normally termed towards towns and villages away from the big city. In my case, the province was termed towards a tiny island called Darahuay Dako (which actually means “big island”), in Samar, Philippines. This province was third world, yes, but the third world life on this island was much more humble and respectable than that of the big city barrios. Every dinner consumed was the same dinner you caught from your boat in the same morning.

One day I was drinking with my uncle, and we started discussing about all the pretty girls that lived on the island. I asked him if he knew any that he could introduce me to. He laughed, “You better hurry… if you don’t they’ll leave soon to become singers, and come back next year pregnant with Japanese babies.” This was the reality that was so easily laughed off, as this was one of the main “spawning” grounds for gullible island girls who want to sing (Filipinas LOVE to sing) and marry a rich foreigner. Sad thing is, my mother is a Filipina, and my father was in the USAF. Although I’ve been told they met by chance in the PI, I still have my doubts, as he was stationed in Okinawa many years ago (maybe a little insight on my sensitivity for this subject ^ ^).

What upsets me most is that there’s so much more that can be done right now to prevent this problem. Ideas that make things legitimate. However some of us are in a position that won’t allow involvement. It’s only a matter of time before this nail sticks out too far and gets hammered down.

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Im new to Korea…Civilian Contractor. I have been here for about 5 months now. Of course I have been taken to the juice bars in Anjun-Ri and Osan. I have been doing a lot of personal research on human trafficking lately. Out of all of the many articles, posts, and publications referencing human trafficking in Korea specifically…Including Osan, TDC, Anjun-Ri….

I have yet to find any comments or advice that I could share with any woman who does not want to be here, but finds herself trapped in the system. That doesn’t speak very well about those who can post forever about the details of the system but don’t know jack shyt about how a woman in this situation can get help, and safe passage back to her country.

The typical club owner will allow a woman to come here and work without a salary for months then pressure her to accept “bar finds” as a means to increase her chances of getting any income at all. They often take their visas and passports from them, reducing their chances of running away.

Here it is the middle of winter, and some of these girls don’t even have hot water. I read an article today where a reporter in TDC asked a soldier how he felt about participating in human trafficking (he was caught red-handed after paying for a girls bar find). He said he was here to protect democracy, not to practice it. Yeah, ok…fart-head.

Personally, I don’t have an issue with prostitution. A woman of age can sell her body for sex if she wants to. Women have been selling, and men have been buying sex since time began…Oh well, that’s the nature of the beast.

I aint no saint. I went on R&R to Thailand and swam in puzzy. It was great.
Some gave it up because they wanted to, some asked if I would pay for it…Sure I did. And would do it again as soon as I can…So I’m not trying to be a hypocrite about this, and I love Asian women.

But when you take a woman’s visa, passport, and lock her into a room with 4 to 8 other women…When you refuse to pay her a salary hoping that you can force her to play the game and sell herself for your benefit, you suck.

And when you can sit and write about all the gory details, stating how bad it is without being able to offer advice or assistance to those who are indeed tricked, stripped of dignity, robbed of income they worked for, and sold for a profit while stealing their freedom….You suck too.

To think that a 18, 19, 20 year old has enough experience to know what she is getting into when coming to Korea is ridiculous. I aint even discussing that ignorance with any of you.

1. Where does a woman go if she finds herself trapped and wants to go home?

2. Who does she call to get her visa and passport back into her hands?

3. What agency can she call to assist her in getting back to her family?

4. If I know a woman who is being pressured to accept bar finds…What can I do in her behalf if she truly just wants to get the hell out of Korea and go back home?

....Sorrym my cut and paste didnt work out as well as planned.

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5. What can be said to a bar owner to let them know there is a person in their face that is very serious about having this woman taken out of the bar and returned to her country. What magic words will get her visa and passport back into her hands.

Answer any of those questions in detail and this forum will have been well worth my time.

Tony

I'm not sure but this website might help: Human Trafficking Korea

She can call her countries consulate, but they may be unwilling to put pressure on her employer because they want more of their people working here. Her best bet is make a new passport, but usually she needs some type of ID to do that. If time is on her side, copies of her ID can be sent via a 3rd party (ie. you).

No idea, sorry, but the above might help.


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Oh, lot's of things can be said, especially if they have cut other corners including not paying for the woman's taxes or health insurance. You need to make sure they know that arguing with you and fighting you will just get them into more and more trouble. Don't threaten, have something to back yourself up with, something legal. Just make sure that you're prepared to take the girl and leave, because that might just be what happens.

Thanks for the information:
Its just amazing to me that there is no brochure, document, or website (that I have seen), that addresses the issue. They have no idea that their visas and passports will be taken from them upon arrival. I visited the trafficking website...Only talks about the problems, not any solutions for a person simply trying to get home after realizing what a bad mistake they made.

Anyway, thanks again
Tony

The webpage had the number for government agencies and private organizations that you could call in Korea. If you are serious about helping those women out, then you need to call those numbers. I would start with the private organizations first.

Even if you do contact the police or some private organization, most of these "juicy bars" are run by Mafia/syndicate that have the police on there payroll so there is very little you could do about this situation. My best advice is if you really would want to help out these girls that are caught up in these situation is to not go there.

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