See...that's your choice. You don't have to read this thread if you don't want to. Nobody made you read it, or comment on it. I go to juice bars because I often have a good time with friends...And the girls there. I don't buy juice because I feel sorry for anyone, (what a humanitarian you are, huh?) I do it because it puts a beautiful woman in my face and I always have a good time talking with them and getting to know who they are.

Every guy has to draw the line for themselves...If a woman only calls me only on Friday telling me how she misses me - Hell, I know what's up. She wants me to come buy her juice for her quota. I know a broadcasted text message when I see one. 15 guys get the same message, she needs customers. That is the nature of her business.

I don't bullsh*t these girls. Im not married, Im not military, I do pretty much whatever the hell I want to do. If she is gorgeous, and intelligent...Im gonna ask what's she is doing here, how long she has been, and what she expected to get out of being here. I have brought won cards for girls before...And I will probably do it again for the right one. Same price as a drink, and If I buy a girl a won card and she doesn't call me....I know what's up. Oh well.

By the same token, if she calls me every morning, if she wants to hear my voice every day as opposed to texting me...I know what's up with that too.
If she wants to come cook for me on her own time...I'm cool with that.

Still the same topic...Juicy Bars.

By they way, I don't FEEL bad about what is going on in Korea. Some of the things are just dead wrong, has nothing to do with my feelings.

Good advice...But the club owners and Korean Mafia have to cut their losses too. Oh well...I don't have any symphathy for them when they loose a girl. Im glad they were able to get her out of there...The fact that she left shows that she didn't want to be there. Good for them. The sad thing is, if a girl refuses to accept bar finds, the owners will most likely just call the agency and have them come get them...Who in turn, will most likely send her to a club that is more agrressive about breaking her down and forcing her to do what they want her to do anyway....TDC, for example.

Wow, this is a very heroic act of a true humanitarian. I'd also suggest, if all else fails and as a last resort, perhaps you could provide her with a safe haven under more favorable conditions, pay off her contract to the bar owner, pay all bar fines (not "find") and settle any other incurred expenses. Also, secure a passport/visa and send the girl home to her providence/family. Your investment would be of worth. This would make a world of difference, would it not, at least to the wayward fate of one lucky girl? Again, good luck to you.

Wow three pages!

Tonysan, I felt much like you when I first arrived Korea. I thought, "these poor girls!" after hearing their stories. I am sure there are a few girls that have been trapped and feel there is no way out, but...

I have built many ads for the bar owners in Songtan. See the Night Life section of the classifieds for examples. I have also spent many nights drinking with friends in these bars and have been guilty of buying a few juices. Almost every bar downtown has at least 2-3 hotties!

If you go to any of these bars, you will notice right away that these girls stay in Korea for one year then their visa runs out. The majority of girls I have talked to have stated that they will either stay another year or go home and try to come back. Many of them have already repeated the process 2-3 times and have been in Korea for several years.

Also, if you sit around Songtan and enjoy a coffee/beer between 12 - 5PM, you will notice several things. First, these girls know how to shop! They go on a complete shopping spree on their limited free time. Additionally, you will notice the "grampas" walking with the girls. This is the "morning after" time and the girls seem to have a great time having the men pay for their shopping spree.

Finally, thousands of girls have gone back to the PI over the years. If they are abused so bad wouldn't they spread the word around and no girls would come to Korea? The opposite has happened and the flow has increased, not decreased. Again, thousands of girls come in to Korea and thousands leave each year. Wouldn't the "we don't sing or waitress" secret be out? The reality is:

1. 95% or more know exactly what they are getting into
2. Most of the girls would rather be prostituting in Korea than the PI were they are abused for little or no money. In Korea they make 10 times the money than in the PI and do very little
3. They come for a year and most want to stay. If it is so bad, why do they go back home and try so hard to come back?
4. Many are here to get married to a GI or Korean for a better life. I even had to take done some pictures of a girl in an ad on the classifieds because one of the girls married a GI and the GI e-mailed me requesting I remove her pictures. I did because I can respect that!
5. Most of the girls string along 10+ guys at a time and use the "we are abused line" to get you to buy them drinks and take them shopping or even marry them!

If you find a girl that is being abused, then by all means help her out by reporting her story to the appropriate authorities. But the truth of the matter is these girls know what they are doing and are doing it willfully.

At one point it was the Russian girls (attached image from 2002) that worked in the bars and now it is mostly girls from the PI.

Mike

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There are many bars and clubs that don't have "juicy-girls". My way of not supporting the ones that do is simply by not going inside of them. If you're able to go inside the club and differentiate which female is there under misguidance and the one that isn't, than kudos. That's where my problem lies, thus making my refusal to enter the bar/club in the first place the only "catch all" option available.

The issue lies in the same area. Trying to discern which story is valid and which isn’t can be a hurdle. The Korean Government has a diluted monitoring process that places too much power in the employers. They have no recurring tools that the females can use that address the difference in their current situation versus the relevant visa of which they initially applied for. If overseas work is going to be legitimate, there needs to be insurance for the workers that it is and will remain that way, things as simple as accountability and anonymous surveys.

Tonysan, Fr Glenn is a good person to go to. He works for an NGO I usually refer the Filipinas to if they honestly feel they've been mislead and are feeling trapped. Most likely you’ll have to have the female contact him personally instead of yourself.

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I see where you are coming from, and more power to you- of course there are those innocent ones who get trapped- and maybe that's one of the reasons fate brought you here. Good luck.

I don't know the Father you spoke of, but if you can contact a church in the area where he operates or nearby, they should know. Is he a local priest, or a chaplain with the military? They move around a lot. If he is in Seoul, I might be able to help.

He's a representative of a ministry located in Seoul. He's part of an NGO that concentrates on bars and clubs located outside of military installations that hire overseas Filipina workers.

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Some of these girls may have been HT, but if you check alot of them have worked in other countries. We have a contractor here in Korea where I live who is married to a girl from the PI. He is having a hard time getting her a visa to the US because at one time she worked as a (domestic) in an oil compound in Lybia. I also have been told that they tell their families that they are domestics, singers, or other occupations. There is a movie about this very thing if you can find it called "Shocking Asia II"

Interesting thoughts Logic, must I re-interrate, don't patronize such establishments . Not to be judgemental, in doing so you become part of the problem as opposed to being part of it's solution.

According to a dated article, it seems that Father Glenn is a good person, one who has helped many of these women who sincerely wanted to get out of the trade. Although, the article was written some time ago, it appears to contain information, contacts and other sites which still may be of some benefit.

Below are some of the things that were mentioned in the article about Fr. Glenn.

..."Monica said she and a friend escaped June 4 with the help of Father Glenn, a soft-spoken 39-year-old Catholic priest who works long hours to rescue and shelter Filipina club women and return them to their homes. He also arranged for the return of their passports. "For me, he's a hero," Monica said. "He don't care if he gets in trouble with the big man because he fight with the big man here in Korea. He's not afraid."



..."Some women go into the work knowing what awaits them. "For some, it's comfortable," Father Glenn said. "We have a number of girls who were working in a club, went to work in a factory, and went back to the clubs," he said. "So, what can we do? We want to stop trafficking, but what if they don't want to leave? I asked the girls, "What do you want?" They said, "Father, you can only help those who want to be helped."


http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/...1d6.html#Under

The true problem lies with the U.S. Army. The issue isnt about human trafficking the issue is the military allows this to happen. Most of these "Juicy Bars" are near U.S. Military installations. I find the commercials laughable that talk about human trafficking.

But in all seriousness. The Embassy of the Phillipines has a shelter for these women if they want to leave or get help. The sad truth is that these women are con artists and the military basically promotes these businesses