That's exactly the kind of information/advice I was looking for: What to do, if and when? I met a girl prior to entering this thread at a club here. She worked in the PI for Intel. Very smart girl (other than coming here). Very technical, with credentials, and speaks english extremely well. She got laid off and answered an Ad to work here. She had no idea what she was getting into. No lump some payment of any kind, worked here for over a month and never got paid. I brought her drinks because she was interesting, pretty, smart....

This past weekend, a few guys came in to the bar...Her time with me had expired and the boss motioned for her to leave and service one of the guys that just came in. She said she didnt want him to buy her a drink because he was obnoxious, he stank, was drunk, and he grabs on her. So, she didnt leave my table. I was curious to see how that would go down, but after seeing the angry faces behind the bar, I decided I would buy her another drink to try to ease the tension.

I came back Sunday to see if she had gotten in any trouble and she started crying. They refused to let her go out that day, and made her clean up by herself Saturday night (Sunday am). She said they fined her for being disobedient. Sunday night, about 10pm or so...She called me crying. It took about 5 minutes to understand a word she was saying. Apparently her promoter came in Sunday night, told her to pack and she is currently in a club at CRC, somewhere near camp Casey.

They took her cell phone (but she had a broken one she gave them, and kept her working phone and called me). Her apartment is above the club and it is gated and locked after hours. They took her visa and passport from her. They took her to the hospital Tuesday for a check up. Wonder what that was about? You know, and I know they want to make sure she is clean before making her sell her self out. Now I dont know about the statistics concerning all the other girls. But this one is an emotional wreck - for sure.

So, I am taking off, going up there to CRC/Casey...Whatever to find the club, give her the numbers you guys gave me (Thanks a million), give her a won card and see exactly what she wants to do -face to face. She says she wants me to come get her. I dont have a problem with that, but prior to this forum I would have had no earthly idea what to do, or offer her any advice at all other than to get her in the car and haul azz. One of the other girls told her that she could put her visa/passport in her hands the night before she leaves (if that happens).

So we will see. One of the girls told her she should get her alien card before running. (I dont know what that's about..anyone have a clue)? My thought is as long as she has her visa/passport and the visa is not expired, she can stay with me until either I get her a plane ticket back home, or until she goes to the authorities and petitions them to get her back home before her visa expires. Like I said, we will see...But I am defintely going there to see her, no question about that.

Now on the other hand, there are girls here that I know who are comfortable (or at least ok with bar fines - as long as the customer is a person she doesn't mind being with). Some clubs apparently let the girls have the final say so as to rather or not they will or wont accept having the customer paying their "night off"....Some don't.

But this chick is definitely NOT INTERESTED in being sold to anyone, period.
So where did they stick her? TDC / CDC Camp Casey areas. That my friends is human trafficking. They want to break her down, control, manipulate and pressure her to sell sex. I have the name of the club, so Im sure I can find it. If nothing else, I can drive to CDC and ask a taxi driver to take me to the club so I can find out how to get there. I will wait until she calls me, pick a spot, pick her up, and we are gone.

I have no intentions of making this a repeat performance, and I agree totally that you cannot help anyone that doesnt want to be helped, but from now on, I will have a business card with all of the numbers and contacts listed that can help if I ever meet another girl that wants to get out and go home.

And again, I greatly appreciate the information you guys have provided.

Good luck Tonysan and please keep us posted. I understand that I supposedly had made my "final thought" with my last entry on this thread, but this sounds like a true romance story to me and obviously to many other interested viewers (943 views), I realize that wasn't your intent.

An alien card, hum, perhaps the friend is fore-telling the future about you two and speaking as though it were. I say that because, short answer, an alien card entitles for safe entry into the USA as long as they maintain the terms of their status while being in the USA. Not sure if that includes being married to an american...just another thought!

Tonysan,

I really hope everything works out! It looks like you found a girl that is trapped and doesn't want to live in this life style. It is common for girls to get shipped to other bars if an owner feels he has no control or the girl is not making enough money.

If there is anything I can do please let me know. The only problem is I am in Hawaii and not in Korea. Sounds like she needs the help of that preacher that has helped girls in the past. Good luck and keep us informed!

Mike

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A coworker of mine said they have an alien card as well as a visa/passport, I think it is issued by the Koreans for work purposes, im not sure...I will ask one of the local girls for a reference. Hmmm...I didnt realize we had so many viewers, I really haven't taken time to learn this interface yet. I thought it was just a few guys kicking the topic around, and that yall were sick of it.

Romance story, huh? Naw, I think she is cool and to sweet to have to put up with this if she doesn't want to. If she comes home with me, she is welcome, and I will help her out financially until time for her visa to expire. I realize she will be dependent on me until such time, but that's ok with me.

It aint like I have anything better to do in Korea, ya know? I really dont have a problem being taken care of by a beautiful woman in my home. It's way to early to see if anything else becomes of it, but she is indeed welcome to be my house guest at least until that magical date rolls around.

*Peace out

In reading this thread, I find it oddly comforting to say that I can relate to being far away from home, not knowing anyone, not knowing what tomorrow would bring, not knowing the answers and having to depend/rely upon the generosities of a virtual stranger. I am forever grateful because it was in my time of need, helplessness, and despair that I was shown the true meaning of humanity, when all others had turned their backs on me with little concern and a even lesser understanding of my unfortunate dilema. I believe that some people are truly God sent, bless their hearts. Tonysan, not everyone will extend a open door policy with inviting arms as a welcoming gesture...^5. If I am not being intrusive please afford us with a update soon. Just curious about the development(s) of this situation. Hoping all is well.

Well said ExkwsitOne! Don't good deeds and kindness change your life forever? If everyone in the work dedicated just 1 hour a week to helping others we would solve most problems in the world.

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Well....We did the escape thing.
She was in a beat up joint near Camp Red Cloud. I left here about 6pm, I didnt find the place until around 1am. I took highway 1 north to 100, planning to go up highway 3 (North Bound), but ended up going south back down through Seoul. My maps sucked.

Anyway, it took at least three hours to find the place and Im very, very surprised that I did. I got a room and waited till morning. The club had gates around it and was locked that night. The owner opens the gates to take out trash or whatever in the morning. She put all of her belongings in trash bags and pretended to be taking out the trash. I met her outside and put her bags in the car as she brought them out. On the last bag, she got in the car and we sped off.

So, she is at home with me now for the time being. She hasnt had a salary since she has been here so I gave her 150 to send home. Her promoter has been trying to find her (as you might guess). Interesting thing though. Im not sure I understand the relationship between the club owners and the promoters. She had a friend that ran away from TDC, she came back here and started working at another club after talking to her promoter. I thought that was strange. Apparently, she told the promoter she ran from TDC and would never go back to work there, but she told him that she didnt want to do anything illegal. So, now she is working at a different club where they dont do bar fines and everything appears to be ok with her.

So the girl that is with me is waiting for a few days before talking with her promoter to see if she can work in a club that does not allow bar fines. There are some that do not. Some of her friends came over this morning, they were allowed to leave their apartment at 10am and didnt have to return until 5pm. That is very rare. They cleaned my apartment, washed, dried, and folded clothes, cooked a big lunch, chilled out and watched movies, took a hot shower and took a taxi back to their apartment.

Anyway, I hope she can manage to get a job in a better club. Like I said, it's one thing to sell juice, it's another thing to be pressured into selling your body against your will. Her friend managed to get her visa/passport back into her hands while the manager was not there. I suppose if her promoter really wants her to be here working he will accomodate her. Lots of girls have apparently ran away from the clubs they were working in and last weekend I heard that 12 girls were taken from here, and more than 60 were taken from Osan by immigration for being here past their visa.

I don't think to many of them have that much of an issue selling juice...And perhaps there are quite a few that don't mind doing bar fines for the money. But there are some who absolutely do not want to go that route. The girls that came to my home today seem to be quite happy because they get time off in the morning and are not forced to do anything they dont want to do.

I couldn't blame anyone from running from the places I was told about first hand at TDC, CRC. It doesn't take much to keep the girls working and content, but when they are treated so badly, locked up without any freedom at all, given horrible living conditions, and then have their salary held for months on end....Why the hell wouldn't they run?

Anyway....In the small time I have been here, It's my observation that the Korean's (some, not all), would rather take 5 dollars and have a pissed off coustomer that will never return, than to satisfy the customer and gain future business from having a satisfied customer. Beat's me.

Thanks for all your help and encouragement. Sometimes it just about making a difference, aint nobody trying to save the world, at least I aint.

Peace Always
Tonysan

I wonder if a different approach would be more effective. On my last tour, it was apparent that referring club owners to the base commander, immigration or another agency was more effective in getting them shut down.

The Stereo's current makeover was due to some serious fines on Mr. Pak (the owner) and a lenghthy DoD ban for military patronage. I'm sure bar fines still happen there, but it wouldn't take much to it.

Anybody remember Batman Club? It was a dirty, dingy whorehouse... but it was remade into a quite a classy joint, albeit still with the juicy atmosphere.

Such things take courage though. I will be interested in how much has changed since 2004.

jimmy

This is an interesting story that has grown along the way.

I have always wanted to get some of the bar girls on here to tell there story. One did show up and talked a little.

Another idea I had was to do a documentary on the US military in South Korea and show the impact on Korean society. Interviewing some of the bar girls without showing their face would be a part of it. I simply ran out of time! Maybe when I return to Korea.

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Well, it is not my intention to shut down any juice bars. Like I said, I like them (at least the ones I go to). I think the Stereo club is pretty cool, we go there on the weekends for the Red Rock. There are a couple of girls there that look for when we go. Never been to Batman, will have to check it out on the rebound. We usually go to Stereo for a beer, Golden Gate to watch the dancers, Young Chung, Paradise, VIP, Playboy, Roadhouse...To name a few....And damn, Apache is still shut down (cuz the girls are nasty)!!

*Peace out
Tonysan