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Old 03-30-2006, 12:36 PM
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Got a name or idea of a name of this report? Also Have you read Katherine H.S. Moon's Sex among Allies?
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USINKOREA has to be a ruse. He has vaciliated at least twice in his postings.

Joe you hit the nail on the head Korea is no different than anywhere else in the world.

While I was in Germany I did not have to go very far to see the girls working. The next street over from where we lived the girls would pick up johns and get dropped off, ready for thier next customer. Although this was only down the street from a military installation I do not recall seeing SOFA tags on the cars the girls were getting into or out of. I am not saying it never happened I just never seen it.

While on a shopping trip during the Christmas market in Nurenberg I accidentially stumpled into an area I later discovered was the Wall.

Shortly after arriving in Germany the Poilzi wanted to use a bedroom in our apartment to place a hotel across the street under survelliance.

Since Korea is substanially smaller than the US the areas are more confined. If you look at the action in the larger cities and Vegas the comparsion would be similiar.

You claim you had never went to a prosititue anywhere; however, you are writing a book on the subject <LOL> This I find very amusing.

It is almost like saying you are writing a book on a professional sport and never played the game. If you intended to say you never engaged in paying a prostitue for their professional services is one thing. I guess that would be like Clinton who never had sexual relations with that woman or inhaled a thai stick <g>

There are places in right outside a large military installation where the Russian girls would not have anything to do with the Americans. They made far more money from Korean males.

The bottom line is you will hear several different stories about prostution, what one has to decide upon is 1. will it sell? 2. Can I get them to believe it. Sensationlism sells. If the truth is boring who cares.

On the flip side. What is the difference between the human trafficking for sex or for cheap labor? Explotation in whatever shape or form is wrong and should not be tolerated.
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Shortly after arriving in Germany the Poilzi wanted to use a bedroom in our apartment to place a hotel across the street under survelliance. should have included the hotel was allegedly engaged in Human trafficking.

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USINKOREA has to be a ruse. He has vaciliated at least twice in his postings.

Joe you hit the nail on the head Korea is no different than anywhere else in the world.

While I was in Germany I did not have to go very far to see the girls working. The next street over from where we lived the girls would pick up johns and get dropped off, ready for thier next customer. Although this was only down the street from a military installation I do not recall seeing SOFA tags on the cars the girls were getting into or out of. I am not saying it never happened I just never seen it.

While on a shopping trip during the Christmas market in Nurenberg I accidentially stumpled into an area I later discovered was the Wall.

Shortly after arriving in Germany the Poilzi wanted to use a bedroom in our apartment to place a hotel across the street under survelliance.

Since Korea is substanially smaller than the US the areas are more confined. If you look at the action in the larger cities and Vegas the comparsion would be similiar.

You claim you had never went to a prosititue anywhere; however, you are writing a book on the subject <LOL> This I find very amusing.

It is almost like saying you are writing a book on a professional sport and never played the game. If you intended to say you never engaged in paying a prostitue for their professional services is one thing. I guess that would be like Clinton who never had sexual relations with that woman or inhaled a thai stick <g>

There are places in right outside a large military installation where the Russian girls would not have anything to do with the Americans. They made far more money from Korean males.

The bottom line is you will hear several different stories about prostution, what one has to decide upon is 1. will it sell? 2. Can I get them to believe it. Sensationlism sells. If the truth is boring who cares.

On the flip side. What is the difference between the human trafficking for sex or for cheap labor? Explotation in whatever shape or form is wrong and should not be tolerated.
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Got a name or idea of a name of this report? Also Have you read Katherine H.S. Moon's Sex among Allies?
Here is a link to MS Moons Writing LINK
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When I was a young troop in 2ID in the early '80s, I remember company parties (celebrating Christmas, etc.) that were held in one of the local clubs outside the gate.

The 1SG and/or CO would hand each person coming in the door a raffle ticket.

At some point later in the night, they would draw tickets from a coffee can to see who won.

1st place was an overnight with the girl of your choice and 2nd place was a short time.

My how times have changed!

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Who? Me...?

To the person who said I was flip flopping and didn't have a clue...

I don't have the time to re-read my post right now, but point out where I flipflopped twice.

I also don't remember what the reference about the book.
I know I never wrote I was writing a book about prostitution in Korea and related to USFK. I have toyed with the idea and done some work toward turning what I've been doing on my website into book form and the anti-US thoughts around "camp town" life and prostitution woudl be one of them.

The line about prostitution being everywhere and the oldest profession only goes so far too. It is true, but if you push it to saying Korea is just like everywhere else, it is going too far.

The sex industry in Korea is huge and open. It generates more money than fishery and agriculture combined.

Polls have also shown Korean men go to prostitutes in what I am sure is a MUCH higher rate per population than in the US.

I taught housewife classes sometimes, and it AMAZED me how many of them said it was a matter of routine for men to go to prostitutes - usually when out with their "circle" -- circles being groups Koreans belong too - with Korea being a much more group oriented society - so circles like elementary school classmates or high school or college or co-workers.

These women --- from different classes over the years I taught --- always said they guessed 80% of married men go to a prostitute. And many of them (especially those from 35+ years old - with about 90% of them saying this) said they could tolerate their husbands doing so as long as they didn't "fall in love" with the prostitute or another woman.

If that is the same in American society, I've been living in a different world....
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I asked if you have read Katherine HS Moon's Sex Among Allies and the report about korean prostitution you mentioned in an early post. How someone came up with you writing a book would only be speculative on my part.
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I haven't read the woman's book and probably never will unless I decide to turn the website into book format --- and that is one good reason to give up on that project forever....

I used to have to read stuff like that, but not any more -- thankfully.

I've read reviews of the book and talked to those who have read it, and I can place it well enough into the tiny area of academia it occupies to know I don't want to read it - ever.

Women's studies is in vogue in the humanities. "Liberating" people is in vogue in the humanities.

One sub-culture area of academia is Maleness and how it has cause human society to be screwed from day one --- and a focus on the military is part of this --- and especially the (neo-colonial) American military.

So, they go to places like The Philippines, South Korea, or look into post-war Japan or even post-war Germany -----

and go in with such a one-track, blinded mind-set --- looking for exactly what they want to find - and nothing else ----

you couldn't get them to look at the reality of the situation if it were a baseball bat and you beat them viciously with it.

You can see this in the woman's book and even in US news stories that have sent reporters to Korea to check out camp town prostitution.

It is completely ---- inexcusable ---- to talk about GIs and prostitutes without looking at the reailty of the sex industry in greater Korean society

but that is what almost all those who write about USFK and prostitution do.
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I haven't read the woman's book and probably never will unless I decide to turn the website into book format --- and that is one good reason to give up on that project forever....

It is completely ---- inexcusable ---- to talk about GIs and prostitutes without looking at the reailty of the sex industry in greater Korean society

but that is what almost all those who write about USFK and prostitution do.

Inexcusable yes, it could also be a backdoor ploy to bring attention to the whole issue. You never know these days. It's been probably 7 years since I've read that book. I don't recall the anti-USFK mantra and the author wanted to bring to light the how these women are neglected and felt trapped. She may have mentioned prostitutes that only work with Koreans in the book. I know she work with some social service type agency to help train these women in markable employment skills.

I just wanted to know if you personally read the book and not suggesting you change your website's format any! Off subject here but I enjoyed viewing the videos section. Enjoyed meaning having the opportunity to watch them. They were offensive alright and definately some should of been aired in the US on Fox or CNN.

GI's make easy targets unfortunately. I was lucky and perhaps smart enough to stay off radar and knew when to stop.

Lucky for me I didn't have to read stuff like that, I chose to read it for comparing and constrating of experiences, since it was the only book that I could find outside of Korean history and culture. Now I'm stuck reading a Mereck manual. But that's another subject.
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