All the training is good but the problem is the officers get DLI befor they go to any foreign country enlisted only a select few. And let us face facts this is a duty station in Korea not an Adventer Travel Tour. Most of the kids today will not do any kind of additional training because that drive to discover Korea is overwhelmed by the hormonal stories they get prior to going and right after they get there. The problem is in the balance between being ecucated in the customs and understanding the repercussions of the bad things but with out good leadership this will not happen. I agree 30 days not in the ville is a commander trying to make himself look good. I think the leadership problem needs to behandled at the NCO level but most NCO's are more of a Village rat than some of their soldiers. I am not sure if there is a real solution. I do believe that there could be some improvement with a little work on the officer side of the house and a lot more caring on the NCO side.

PS My wife is still waiting for me to grow up too but I think it is too late

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I am not so sure the 30 day policy ever worked effectively. The peer support group is far more effective. MWR could also do far more with the Arts/Crafts centers. These centers were very effective in keeping the single soldiers active on the installations. Although they are still open they really do not attract the younger groups. We also had music & video cluibs. Perhaps AAFES could also contribute more to the installation activities. It is interesting that AAFES claims to contribute $$$$ to the community; however, if you want to play sports you have to pay? The profit AAFES takes in on the gasoline sales alone could sustain several programs to support soldiers.

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I thought that I'd posted a reply to this one. Must of timed out on me. Actually I'm attempting to design a small survey, maybe post it on line and see what I come up with. Wait about 3-4 months and get the results and if a broad enough replies, send up to the Armed Services Committee. The trouble that may occur is that some may be paranoid about being I.D. No names would be included in this and it would be opened to Active military and Veterans! Some more details need to be worked out, but it's off the drawing aboard. Thanks Mr. Joe. When I get to that point and corner the USFK Commander about a job can I use you for a reference?

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TGIF or this case the weekend. Nothing like posting next to my own previous post. I found the official version of the in processing version from the EUSA G1/AG page. It has a copy of the EUSA handbook. How many knew this existed much less knew where to find it? Inprocessing consist of 3 days ( ). Only the arrival @ Osan gave me enough info and a lot of why's. Not much happens Day 1 except arrival and depture for Yongsan. Day 2 at Yongsan consists of serveral briefing and a 'korean cultural awareness film'. No 2.5 hour STD film or 2 hour black market briefing like we had to endure back in the day. Day 3 is at the unit level. 2ID get shipped of here somewhere and those arriving at Inchon get a copy of maps and pictures. But I did manage to find my language text online. USFK Pam190-1 English/Korean phrase $ terms for/to MP 1988. Back at square one again.

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What are you looking for? Did i miss something in another post?

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They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

It would be nice if the inprocessing was listed on line that would give incoming soldiers a heads up on what to expect. I know in the old days it was "Well one of your roommates will show you around " and you usually ended up in one of the clubs as soon as you got a pass.

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Have you looked here? Google would not bring this page up but MSN did.

http://8tharmy.korea.army.mil/

This is the offical visitor's site.

I'll look around some more.

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They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

Sejongeb and Parisok are both just "Reminiscing" about the OLD DAYS! You didn't miss anything, believe me.
We Old Timers can contribute a lot if we set our mind to it, and it could happen here!
Some of us came out of early retirement to contribute, rather than vegetate.
We were lucky enough to survive Viet Nam and retire from the military as young as 38 years old. We could sit around McDonald's, drink coffee and talk about Saigon, Tet, Monkey Mountain and a lot of fun stuff. I got tired of that real quick. So I surfed the net and left those guys back East and returned to N.E. Asia. Now I am joining these same old *arts talking about the old days again! Maybe we need a change of pace.
Sejong is all for a "Poll". O.K. that's a start. What I 'm wanting to get across is that we "elder statesmen" can do more than complain. There is enough of that. Let's try to help out rather than just grumble.
This thread should attempt to learn what is now being done, and perhaps make positive suggestions to those who can make improvements happen. Our aim should be to assist the young soldiers away from home for the first time, to adapt to this foreign culture and not get off on the wrong foot. I know, for instance, that here at Yongsan, Area ll, the Top Officers and NCO's are very concerned, and dedicated to making the soldiers and their families, their top priority. Really. Yet, stuff happens.
There are reasons beyond the immediate control of the folks in Korea that cause problem people to be sent here. Since last October, I believe, the Army lowered the required test scores for enlistees. It led to sad statistics regarding the quality of new recruits. Sorry, but it is true. It is true that certain jobs do not require as much mental dexterity as others. But a soldier has to be able to adjust to living in proximity with other soldiers, not just, for example, driving a truck. (No truck drivers reply-just an example!) But every young soldier needs guidance; the older ones, different ,stronger guidance!

I have made remarks that may have been less than positive about the way young troops behave here. But I have yet to come up with a positive suggestion, as to how to help. Let's go on and talk about improvements, and then find a way to channel suggestions to the people who are able to do something about it! I suppose we should invite the Sgt Majors, (or is it Sgts Major) to the forum. Whaddya think?

SMA ='s Sergeant Major of the Army.
CSM ='s Command Sergeant Major (with wreath and star)
SGM ='s Sergeant Major (without the wreath just a star)

Also, if I may, introduce an Army website that CSM Dan Elder (1 of 10 CSM's that work in a 4 star generals position) is in charge of. This website has been briefed to the SMA and to a lot of higher people. People that read this site have been the SMA and a lot of Generals.


https://leadernetwork.bcks.army.mil/...er.aspx?id=556

You MUST have an AKO account to use this site. ADMIN if you need to take this site down, feel free to. It is a great site where you can learn a lot.

This is where i have been doing my Moderating for the last 4 years.

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They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

Looks like Chucksnee has been running with the right crowd recently! (CHANGED): I see that Mike added the website to the Links a year ago. Now we need to get the same info from the AF and the other services.

For those who do not understand AKO: it means Army Knowledge Online and I can go there, as I have a Dept of the Army employee CAK card. AKO has a lot of services, "My Pay", an email account, and more. The AF just went to the CAK card, too, and I can enter their site. Anyone can check out http://www.us.army.mil and look around, but will not be eligible to do everything without a CAK card.