Rank has nothing to do with how well you are at life...It is how your parents have brought you up and how you respect others.

Again.....We are the ONLY place that is military that has a curfew...

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CH-47 SI

They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

After seeing the way alot of military members behave off base during the day and sober, I think there should be alot more than just a curfew! People do seem to get here and lock away their morals and just plain manners at the front gate. Or sure, do away with the curfew and instead implement a ration card for the number of drinks per day you can have. Age aside, it seems alot of the problem is too many grown folks dont know how to control themselves, alcohol consumption as well as behavior! It seems too many of us have forgotten that we are all representatives of America and Americans while we are here, and too many people are doing a piss poor job of representing! Instead of complaining and even blaming the curfew on the behavior problems, do something to make the situation better, try behaving in a manner that would make America proud to call you our military and step up and correct others when they are not doing the same, instead of just treating this assignment like a year long party!

I agee to a point...

Tell a 42 year old man he cannot drive? because of rank? NON -drinker also....

Your point is vaild in some areas but not all...

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CH-47 SI

They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

I know that not everyone here acts like a fool, but I am shocked at the amount of people who do! And no, its not just young people you see acting stupid, its all ages. I just think that people are going to have to take the first steps to get rid of the curfew by behaving well and correcting others who are not. If the curfew were just lifted now with the way people act now, it will just get worse, not better. Military members are going to have to have enough pride in themselves and our country to behave appropriately as guests in another country before raising the curfew would be a good idea. I guess what I am saying is that instead of complaining and even blaming the curfew on problems, have some pride and class and self control, and when need be, remind others to do the same. People are going to have to take steps to remedy the reasons a curfew would be needed before anyone is going to lift it.

Very interesting discussion about curfew.

I can't understand why a curfew is still in place. I was stationed here for a number of years in the 80s and 90s, and there was no curfew. Soldiers assigned to the 2nd Division, were required to have a pass in order to leave post. However, most soldiers stationed at YongSan or Area III,weren't required to have a pass in order to spend the night out. How long has this curfew been in effect? It seems to me that morale must be very low, especially among the junior enlisted.

There have been past experiments with the curfew, changing times etc..curfew, for the most part only meant you had to be off the streets by curfew, it had nothing to do with being able to leave the post. On another note, I agree with Mr. Joe that it is a difficult thing to access. I personally would just totally do away with curfew for all but, the military is a ranked organization and with higher rank come increased privelidges, and responsibility, generally speaking. The fellow in an earlier post, who wanted to know exaclty what things any of us have actually witnessed when it comes to officers and bad behavior off base in korea,,well,, I was part owner of a bar downtown during one of my Korean sojourns and one example was the army major who was very drunk, stood at the bar and pssied himself in public, then laughed about it and left, drenched in his own urine from crotch to feet. I could name quite a few other incidents yet I believe the main reason no one ever hears about a lot of the officer incidents is because officers, in general are much better at covering up for eachother and the enlisted corp is punished at the pleasure of the officer corp. Cheers!

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I agree with everything you said, except the last line. When I was a young enlisted soldier, as far as punishment was concerned, the last person I had to worry about was an officer. The E-5 squad leader, E-6 section leader, PSG, ISG and CSM were who I worried about. And back in the good ol' Infantry days of my youth, the punishment wasn't always pushups or extra duty - it could be flat out ass whooping.

maybe the word punishment wasn't a good choice to illustrate my argument. I think it is true, the enlisted corp, once upon a time, took care of its own much more than the current corp. This of course meant there were many off the record types of 'incentives' provided for a troop to straighten up and fly right. The punishments I mean are those that become part of the record and more widely known. In recent times, the officer corps, it seems to me, has taken it upon themselves more and more to provide official punsiment and reprimand to the enlisted corp in places that once might have been handled by the old time 'out behind the barn' counseling that was traditionaly handed out by nco's. In any case, it has been my observation, through many channels, that the officer corp will make every attempt to cover their tracks unofficially while they take every opportunity officially to mete out punishment to the enlisted corp, regardless of the shirt's or other nco's recommendation. This is why everyone, except for eye witnesses to bad behavior, have the false assumption that officers behavior is typically beyond reproach. I believe the term 'an officer and a gentleman' died long ago and it had nothing to do with the onset of gender neutral language.

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It started right after 9-11. It was 7pm and you couldn't drink off post. It was like that for about 2 months. Then it became what it is now.