[/quote] I understand the term; however, since some of these people who prey on kids on line are also married with families of their own would they also be a Pedaphile? Pedaphiles are in a class by themselves and are not able to have a relationship with anyone. [/quote]

They may/not abuse their own kids. Depends on the circumstance. An upper-mid level official from the Dept of Corrections of my State learned that her husband of 15 years molested her nephew on a cruise ship. Later he was caught in a sting by the LEO's. She filed for divorce sometime in between these incidents. To say pedophile is not able to have a relationship is a fallacy.

Their problem lies with impulse control torward children, not adults. If they can't maintain a relationship, then how do they work? How was a priest able to graduate Theology school, same with a minister. How does a lawyer finsih school, practices law? How does a physician complete his/ her duties. Sevral teachers also perform their duties. They were all married. They mask and adapt during stressful situations. They are fully capable of maintaining a relationships @ all fronts. For how long? Depends on the partners willingness to put up with it. Did this correctional manager know her husband was a ped? Who knows, she was a social worker and knew full well the signs. Unfortunately this forum wouldn't allow for any of my more explicted examples.

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Sejongeb;

In a report from Kinsey it was stated that many individuals who are categorized as pedophiles is incorrect. The report claims of these individuals only 10 -12 % are actually pedophiles. I should have expounded on the context of the “relationship “. Theses individuals are unable to have an “intimate relationship” with another adult. A pedophile prefers children.

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Who is Kinsey? Were the link to this report? How did he draw his conclusions? What's the causual effects? When was the study performed. Try quoting someone like Samenow, it works better. They are unable to have 'long-term relationship might work better and may be accurate regarding 'expound'. If you're talking about 1940-50 Kinsey study, you need not waste time with it and start quoting modern day research. Nice try though.

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In case anyone is interested in a modern day profile of pedophiles here is one that I found that best explain what LEO, psychologist/SW, corrections have learned. Also is anyone aware of which southern state has passed legislation for the death setence for any second time sexual offender (pedophile) who's victim is under the age of 11 y/o?

Pedophilia has peculiar characteristics. It is regarded as an incurable condition in which the preferred sexual object (or fetish) is a child, but it also involves some obsessive-compulsive characteristics similar to the fantasy-driven cycles of serial killers. The pedophile may be any adult, male or female, heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, married, or single. Heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual men and women may become sexually attracted to children even though they're also attracted to adults. When this happens, the offender is usually a regressed offender who "bounces back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children. This is the group that most people think of when they talk about "child molesters." Some peculiar characteristics include:

they have MULTIPLE VICTIMS (they will often brag about how they've had sex with hundreds and perhaps over a thousand children) This bragging behavior will often be accompanied by other forms of narcissism.
they lock into A CERTAIN AGE RANGE (most prefer them young because this minimizes the chance of pregnancy and vaginal infection) In fact, some pedophile groups have the saying "Eight is too late." They also lock into a certain gender. A pedophile who prefers boys will usually not molest girls, and vice versa. There is an 11:1 ratio of heterosexual pedophiles to homosexual ones.
they actively seek out OPPORTUNITIES TO BE AROUND CHILDREN in their preferred age range. It is not uncommon for a pedophile to be a teacher, coach, youth director at church, YMCA, boy scout leader, day care worker, babysitter, child psychologist, child photographer, or in some other way be in trusted and daily contact with children. They stalk their victims no matter where it takes them. they are usually actively involved or at least associated with RELIGION. This is also true of the Incest perpetrator. Church involvement may be out of guilt, but in most cases is suspected to be done simply to throw off suspicion. The pedophile, particularly, works hard to establish a good reputation in the community as an outstanding citizen or community leader. they are COLLECTORS (of sex toys, sexual aids, tape recordings, erotic literature, pictures, books on human sexuality, diaries, lists of victims, photographic equipment and darkrooms, videotapes and music in their preferred age range), and they enjoy one or more sexual perversions which may or may not be their signature pattern.

they are masters at the art of SEDUCTION. They will take however much time as it takes to seduce the child, and are usually patient, and like to have several "prospects" in various stages of seduction at any one time. Seductive bonding takes place between molester and victim and should not be confused with consent, complicity, or guilt.

In the most common typology (the Burgess, Groth, and Holmstrom model), there are two (2) main types of pedophiles: the SITUATIONAL and the PREFERENTIAL. The difference between these two main types is that situational pedophiles will stalk almost any vulnerable group (the elderly, the handicapped, etc.) and the preferential pedophile will stick to children of a certain age range. The situational type also prefers children, but will select "second-best" victims when under stress. The preferential type doesn't experience stress.

Within the SITUATIONAL type, there are three (3) subtypes:

(1) the REGRESSED pedophile. This subtype leads the most stable life of the situational types. They prefer female victims, and enjoy seducing strangers. Oral and vaginal intercourse is their goal. They are the only one of the situational types who use child pornography and may surf the Internet looking for victims, but will settle for old ladies in nursing homes or just about any vulnerable group when there is a crisis in their life. They tend to always keep a "stable" of potential victims in various stages of seduction. Although they often "bounce back and forth" between normal sexual relationships and criminal relations with children, they generally have some insecurity, stress, or frustration relating to the demands of social skills in adult relationships. Some are remorseful; others are not.

(2) the INDISCRIMINATE pedophile. This subtype behaves like a wife-swapper, a charming, "cool" character who is willing to try anything, even incest, bestiality, you-name-it. This person waits a long time until they get to know you, and then they want to bring you into their "world". That world often consists of child pornography and helping them obtain child victims, or any other vulnerable group, but they will soon make it clear they prefer children and at a certain age. THE MAIN SOURCE OF NEW VICTIMS FOR PEDOPHILES IS A REFERRAL (SNOWBALL) FROM AN OLD VICTIM.

(3) the IMMATURE pedophile. This subtype, also known as the naive pedophile, will appear to be "mental" or quite strange. They tend to stalk around their own neighborhood, and will usually not travel great distances to get new victims. Their preferred form of intercourse is anal, then oral, but there are often times when they are completely happy just having fondled their victims. There are also times when they don't care what age their victim is. They tend to lead stressful lives.

Within the PREFERENTIAL type, there are two (2) subtypes:

(4) the SEDUCTIVE pedophile. This subtype, also know as the fixated type, will seduce or court their victims, often buying them gifts, flowers, toys, or loaning them money. As this person slowly becomes more intimate with the child, they begin to introduce sexual innuendo and eventually sexual pornography and paraphenalia. This type is almost always homosexual and prefers boys only. They operate on a referral network, and are very likely to surf the Internet looking for stimulation and potential victims, although, they almost always seem to have a "stable" of victims in various stages of seduction. They go wherever a good pool of potential victims can be found.

(5) the SADISTIC pedophile. This subtype, also called a mysoped, stalks, prefers anal sex, mutilates the genitals, and in some cases, kills and cannibalizes their victim. They usually will travel great geographic distances to stalk just the right victim, and have an elaborate, blitz attack or abduction ploy worked out to sidetrack the parents and authorities. This individual leads a rather transient existence, but is likely to have a fairly good-paying, white-collar job and a dependable car.

Other info:

• generally, overadequate individuals
• high self esteem, extroverted
• often self-insightful, articulate
• often from middle class, stable home
• rationalization of facts & responsibility
• alcoholism not usually present, but is used as a seductive tool to loosen up inhibitions of victims
• if married and not living with mother or grandmother (more frequent), the marriage is a sham & everyone knows it
• often high intelligence/college educated
• sexual history may include homosexuality, other deviant acts
• molests occur in response to fantasy-driven cycle; e.g., babysitters, pornography (compulsion)
• makes victim feel like a child
• has very clear and concrete ideas about what is appropriate for each age group

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Dr. Alfred Kinsey was a highly respected researcher in his day. Many of the conclusions that he drew from his research were quite radical at the time, but are now generally accepted and to this day his reports are regularly cited and regarded as a significant piece of original research.

I'm not saying that they were the end all and be all of research on sexual behavior. Of course, there is plenty of modern research being done that is very significant in its own right. But don't write off Dr. Kinsey's research just because it was done 50 years ago - it is still quite valid.

Like you said back in his day and certainly not regarding pedophilia in the last 20 years. Too many since then have found a more complete analysis and findings. Hopefully Kinsey will maintain some credibility and not end up like Freud, but I don't take much stock in his ped findings. That was then and this is now. Thanks for the input . Here's something to think about:

Alfred Kinsey opened the door so people understood what was going on. He was a bit naive and his statistics were inflated by people who wanted to lie because they thought it made them look good, or by investigators who couldn't recognise the truth.

After going to the Kinsey Report, I've not seen any mention of pedophiles, just homosexuals. I don't know how someone could think that all pedophiles are homosexuals in today's society.

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[quote=sejongeb]Like you said back in his day and certainly not regarding pedophilia in the last 20 years. Too many since then have found a more complete analysis and findings. Hopefully Kinsey will maintain some credibility and not end up like Freud, but I don't take much stock in his ped findings. That was then and this is now. Thanks for the input . Here's something to think about:

I did not intend to ignore your previous post; however, just returned from a place with no Internet access. Although it appears to be a dead issue in this thread I felt a need to respond since it appears you my have misconstrued the intent of my last response. The reference was from Wikipedia. I understand Wikipedia is an open forum and the validity is sometimes questionable; however, it was plausible.

"Those who have committed sexual crimes against children, but do not meet the normal diagnosis criteria for pedophilia, are referred to as situational, opportunistic, or regressed offenders, whereas offenders primarily attracted toward children are called structured, preferential, or fixated pedophiles, as their orientation is fixed by the structure of their personality. It is estimated that only 2 to 10 percent of child sexual abuse perpetrators meet the regular criteria for pedophilia. (Kinsey-Report, Lautmann, Brongersma, Groth)."

I have no knowledge of the topic and no real interest other than to gain a better understanding of these on line predators. Has this behavior always existed in society at the level it is not being reported bc of the media coverage. I also noticed there was an increase in child porn.

I am unable to comprehend what any sexual gratification any normal person could see in a child. What is norm?

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Well I guess you could find out the history stuff on the NABLA/MABLA (whichever it is) website. But I wouldn't suggest you use your own computer/ISP for this since from sources on the correctional side tend to believe the feds are constantly monitoring it. 12 y/o is legal in the Netheralnds since I believe 2000. Fetishes are hard to figure out sometimes, philias the same. Who knows. I'm just waiting for the day when all the shrinks get together and do away with the criteria and diagnosis and say it's a lifestyle. Then I'll move to the moon.

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I watched this last night on AFN. This is some really scary stuff. This is part of Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator" series.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9878187/