My flag is out as well...but I'm speaking with some expertise on the matter. Concurrent travel (you coming here and traveling with your dependents at the same time) versus nonconcurrent travel (you traveling here and your dependents following later) is restricted at Osan AB right now. There is no question about it. You have to have specific permission at the current time to bring your dependents with you. Once you arrive and you secure housing (govt or otherwise) you can bring your dependents over. The only people that are being allowed on an immediate basis at the current time are people in Cat A that must be placed in govt housing (people like unit commanders).

Anyone coming here and bringing their dependents needs to be aware of the rules. The housing situation here is not pleasant and to arrive and find out that you are going to have a more difficult time than you thought would just plain suck.

And oh by the way, if the installation commander asks for concurrent travel to be restricted and higher headquarters says, yep you are right...guess what, it really just doesn't damned matter what the USFK regulation says...but I'm guessing that BB Bell is well aware of what is going on and is fully on board with what Gen Reynes is doing.

Know what you are talking about before you start spewing BS on here that isn't helpful to people that genuinely need accurate information. Conjecture doesn't help people who are coming to the unique environment of Korea.

Now that should have stirred the pot enough...

Oh, bro, hon.. don't ever worry about disagreeing with me! We've been friends for too long to worry about that, and pfft, I'm not the sort to get all out of joint about someone disagreeing with me.

And in this case, I see exactly what you were saying,and I apologize, because I didn't look at what I had typed and miscommunicated something.

You're right, the general didn't issue the non-concurrent travel order, he was the "messenger" so to speak. -HOWEVER- PACAF, who does determine CS issues, and does have the authority to do so, has ,upon the General's recommendation, issued the non-concurrent travel order due to the fact that until the housing situation at Osan is settled, they can't guarantee that they'll have housing for the folks that are already here, let alone bring anyone else over.

As I mentioned previously, it's not an uncommon thing for such orders to be issued in the AF, especially given sudden changes and unexpected problems that develop on base, again, another example being Keesler AFB right after Katrina. They also had a serious shortage of housing there, and the AF issued a non-concurrent travel order for Keesler as well.

Again,I'm sorry, I can see how my previous wording caused the wrong impression.

Now..that being said, there are exceptions to every policy...and being a dual mil family,the original poster and his spouse might be able to get an exception to the non-concurrent travel policy due to that status, or have something "worked out" for them to get them into the already existing towers, especially if they're coming in certain categories of CS. Personally, if I were a betting woman, I'd be willing to bet that the particular couple mentioned won't be affected by the non-concurrent travel order, because a) as I said, there can be exceptions made.. and b) quite frankly, it's kind of a moot point, because if they're not coming over for another 8 months, there's a good likelihood that the order will have been rescinded by then anyway, given that at least one of the two housing towers that are currently under construction will likely be done by then.

As for the regs, I fully admit, I don't know exactly what they are.. but I do know that it seems that the AF often has their own supplement in addition to the regs, and that some things may be actually stricter in that supplement than by the general USFK rules. The supplement doesn't go against USFK regs, but adds additional regs to it...I know that's definitely the situation with TMO, hence the differences between Army and AF in that area. That may be the situation here. Regs or supplement or no, and again, this is just my conjecture, and thought... I would wager that General Bell has at least been consulted on the issue, I doubt seriously that he's in the dark about all of it, especially since the negotiations about this whole issue have now grown much larger, involving the Ministry of Defense here,etc.

Again, I'm sorry for not communicating clearly, that was all my fault, I should have worded my post differently.

Dee :)

LOL...Given the reactions of some in the meeting last night,and the tone of the questions that were being asked,and responses to some answers given...

I'm not sure that "not pleasant" isn't a huge understatement. :)

This could get downright ugly before it's over :)

This is one of those times when I'm *really* glad we're here NCS instead of CS.

Dee :)

Then why not take your own advice and go back and edit some of your posts. Maybe not in this thread but in others.

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They must find it difficult...

Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. --Gerald Massey

O.K. None of us are experts here, except the guy who worked in TMO seems pretty knowledgeable...
Lets shake hands and return to our corners...

"USFK Rules apply equally to all" is NOT always the case. Services can differ in some areas. (The Marines get to drink under 21 in some cases.)
I was stationed at Camp Red Cloud once, The 2ID General said, "everyone roll up your sleeves". Air Force had a reg against that. My men didn't.

Yeah. the Osan housing thing will, I suspect, get ugly before it is over. Air Force rules and Army rules and USFK rules do conflict in some areas. The AF will eventually do it their way, I suspect. After all, it all boils down to money, and I suspect AF money will win on Osan. We'll see. Happy Landings.