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Old 06-23-2007, 11:08 AM
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Does any body know if they have ALS at Osan
I'm at the desert right now and my report RNLTD its in August and I get back to the states in August and its to late to set back my report date , Thanks for any help.
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Re: Als

There is an ALS buliding right near the Chili's...Airman Leadership School is what you want right?
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Re: Als

Yes, I've seen it, too.

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Re: Als

Airman Leadership School the building still exists, but the last ALS class has already graduated. PACAF shut the school down. The plan is to either provide temp waivers or send those that absolutely must be trained to one of the other PACAF schools.
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Re: Als

Sounds like you may get sent to Hickam or one in Japan.
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Re: Als

I'm surprised there was an ALS on Osan at all. Since most folks are only assigned for one short year, they tend to frown on anything that takes away their ability to get max usage out of them.
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Re: Als

The ALS that was on Osan was taught by TDY PME instructors. Usually from Alaska. There used to be one permanant ALS NCOIC that took care of normal day-to-day ops. It's amazing that they decided to close down the school. You'd think that it would be more cost effective to send two instructors to Osan to teach a class, versus sending 30+ students TDY. Think of all the airfare, hotel, and perdiem they will have to expend. Waivers are not a band aid fix. If I have a SrA that has a waiver for ALS, and then puts on SSgt, they should be writing EPRs. Now I have to teach them how to write EPRs and how to council airmen and all that....hmmmmm....
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Re: Als

So Fishe, what you are saying is that you'll have to be a supervisor? We all know that ALS does not teach our young Airmen everything that they need to know about how to write an EPR or be a supervisor. It may focus them, but it doesn't substitute from good old fashioned on the job training from a motivated supervisor.

I'm certain that an NCO of your caliber would stop at nothing to make sure that his new NCOs were up to the challenge, right?

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Re: Als

Once I posted that, I was wondering who was going to say something like that. It's not that I have to be a supervisor.....

The ALS gives you a building block that a supervisor can build on. Not that they do all that great of a job teaching bullet writing. The main purpose of ALS is to give Airman core knowledge in supervisory techniques in which their supervisor can build them from. Now, more emphasis is on the supervisor to build them from scratch. If there is a substandard supervisor out there, the addage...see an ugly kid...follow him home and you'll find ugly parents. So if you have a "3" supervisor that couldn't give a rats ass and happy with 2 and 3 EPRs, they are the one that is going to "teach" the Airman. This would never happen in my flight, but it does happen in other flights. Some supervisors are on opposite shifts as their airmen that they supervise...hmmmm...who's going to do the training on that one?

I make every attempt to set up my subordinates for sucess where their supervisor has failed to do so in the past. I teach them the right way to do business and stop taking short cuts. Granted, it does take time to spin up your new airmen, but you will reap the fruits if it is done the right way. Not too many NCOs are out there to take on this challange.
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