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Old 02-14-2006, 05:41 AM
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Gore Laments U.S. 'Abuses' Against Arabs - in Saudi Arabia!

To think this guy almost became President!

Slamming the Bush administration while in America is fine, but going to Saudi Arabia (where 15 of the 19 hijackers from 9-11 are from) and slamming America is just wrong!



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Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

Gore said Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida's hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.

"The thoughtless way in which visas are now handled, that is a mistake," Gore said during the Jiddah Economic Forum. "The worst thing we can possibly do is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States."

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/12/D8FNUKEO0.html

Why not just go to Iraq and hang out with the insurgents. I am sure they would love a photo op with Gore to help their propaganda campaign. They already have the audio!
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Old 02-16-2006, 12:32 AM
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To think this guy almost became President!

Slamming the Bush administration while in America is fine, but going to Saudi Arabia (where 15 of the 19 hijackers from 9-11 are from) and slamming America is just wrong!
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Gore said Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida's hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.
It's hard to be non-partisan, when the truth itself is partisan. Over 700 muslims and arabs were taken into custody by federal authorities after 9/11. Some were abused. That isn't a slam, it's the truth.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/1...orism.secrecy/
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:12 PM
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It's hard to be non-partisan, when the truth itself is partisan. Over 700 muslims and arabs were taken into custody by federal authorities after 9/11. Some were abused. That isn't a slam, it's the truth.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/1...orism.secrecy/
This is a history of liberals in America. Blame America first!

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Over 700 muslims and arabs were taken into custody by federal authorities after 9/11.
Here are some facts for you.

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The bureau counted nearly 1.2 million Arabs in the United States in 2000, compared with 860,000 in 1990 and 610,000 in 1980. About 60 percent trace their ancestry to three countries: Lebanon, Syria and Egypt.
There is well over 1.2 million Arabs in America. So, 700 Arabs are "rounded up" or less than 0.001% of Arabs in America and we are suppose to be shocked? Holly smokes 0.001% of Arabs were rounded up in mass! What an injustice!

If you want to complain about Arabs being abused go right ahead, just don't go to the country which was responsible for providing 80% of the hijackers in 9-11 and bash America. Democrats have a history of supporting our enemies in a time of war. Gore was almost President and was VP for 8 years. Now people in Saudi Arabia can justify attacking Americans and simply show Gore's speech as proof. "See, even their VP states they are abusing us!"

I guess Gore was so busy not abusing Arabs that terrorsits bombed us over and over during his 8 years in office. Remember the World Trade Center bombing, khobar towers, Cole, and African Embassies?

Why are Democrats the only ones that think their opinion matters AFTER they are out of office? Why does Gore, Carter and Clinton feel they must tour the world and slam the Bush administration? Because they feel they are smarter than Bush and the American people that voted him in office. I don't recall leaders in the Republican party visiting Serbia and bad mouthing America before Clinton bombed them and removed their leader.

What is the next damming headline? "Extra Extra! 0.001% of Arabs rounded up after 9-11! Bush hates Arabs!"
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:18 PM
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I also find it funny that Gore does his speech and the next day more Abu Gharab photos are released.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/15/D8FPKRPO0.html

I can't help feel this was timed.

Why doesn't Gore visit the U.S. soldiers in Iraq while he is visiting the Saudis? Or is it because is that he cares more for the Saudis and the troops wouldn't welcome him? Maybe Michael Moore can make a movie about the Sauidi-Gore connection.

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I read the complete story on Gore's visit to Rihyad yesterday! What an stupid thing to do! Almost treasonous.
The guy's father was a politician, but he has never been. He's tall and handsome, well connected in political circles; and doesn't have much else going for him. Like a twin brother to Clinton, except Gore was NOT a draft- dodger!

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This is a history of liberals in America. Blame America first!
I thought it was to blame gays and godless athiests first, and if not them, then you can always go back to Clinton.

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There is well over 1.2 million Arabs in America. So, 700 Arabs are "rounded up" or less than 0.001% of Arabs in America and we are suppose to be shocked? Holly smokes 0.001% of Arabs were rounded up in mass! What an injustice!
Actually that would be .1% of Arabs. Besides your convienant math, That's a nice trick with numbers. Perhaps we should reduce all people to percentages. US soldiers who died in iraq compared to overall soldiers, including reserves, .1 %. See, not a big deal.

It's sick. It's sick when you do it to Arabs, just as it would be sick to do it to American soldiers. Do you think that human rights exist only beyond a threshold of the population?

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If you want to complain about Arabs being abused go right ahead, just don't go to the country which was responsible for providing 80% of the hijackers in 9-11 and bash America. Democrats have a history of supporting our enemies in a time of war. Gore was almost President and was VP for 8 years. Now people in Saudi Arabia can justify attacking Americans and simply show Gore's speech as proof. "See, even their VP states they are abusing us!"
I thought we were at war with Iraq and Afghanistan. I didn't realize that it had spilled over into Saudi Arabia too. Perhaps we should inform the President, that way there aren't any more embarrasing photographs of him fraternizing with the enemy.




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I guess Gore was so busy not abusing Arabs that terrorsits bombed us over and over during his 8 years in office. Remember the World Trade Center bombing, khobar towers, Cole, and African Embassies?
So you think that the Riyadh compound bombings show that Bush is ignoring terrorists?
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Old 02-17-2006, 01:19 PM
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I thought it was to blame gays and godless athiests first, and if not them, then you can always go back to Clinton.
Playing the pathetic victim card are we? Let me guess, I am a gay basher? All Republicans hae gays and athiests? Grow up and read something other than ihatebush.com or republicansareeveil.com. Just because I have been shown pictures of Iraqis celebrating the US soldiers and your other facts have been proven wrong, don't start playing the victim game. This is a typical tactic of people that are losing elections or debates. Just yell, “he hates gays and black people!” to deflect attention from your weak arguments.

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Actually that would be .1% of Arabs. Besides your convienant math, That's a nice trick with numbers. Perhaps we should reduce all people to percentages. US soldiers who died in iraq compared to overall soldiers, including reserves, .1 %. See, not a big deal.
Ah, I understand it now! You are allowed to state how many Arabs "might" have been abused, but I am not allowed to show how pathetic your 700 Arabs arrested after 9-11 was? Also, I thought it was you who asked me to stay on subject? Why are you bringing up the number of dead soldiers in Iraq? This doesn't fit your own "stay on the subject" rule you tried to create earlier. Let me guess, everyone that disagrees with you must say on subject, but you can roam free off subject.

Care to show me some facts of how Arabs have been abused in America? I can show you terrorists hand books that tell people to scream abuse when arrested.

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I thought we were at war with Iraq and Afghanistan. I didn't realize that it had spilled over into Saudi Arabia too.
it is called the "War on Terror." Maybe you heard of it? Our miliary is fighting terror in more places than two countries.

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Perhaps we should inform the President, that way there aren't any more embarrasing photographs of him fraternizing with the enemy.
Hey you spelled "embarrasing" wrong, it is spelled like this: "embarrassing". "Besides your convienant spelling, That's a nice trick with letters." Silly isn't it?

If you actually follow U.S./Saudi relations since Bush took office, you would have known that we moved our Air Operations Center out of Saudia Arabia and went to war against Iraq, which Saudi Arabia was 100% against. It is a weak argument to show a picture and show me how "in bed Bush is with the Saudis." What does this picture show? Bush's actions have gone against the Saudis in the past few years. Just to break the news to you Michael Moore's movie is not a movie to reference for the truth in foreign affairs.

So, are you for Gore going to Saudi Arabia and blasting America? Let's hear the truth about that you support this or not. Don't take offense to it, just let us know how you feel.

Also, are you for Gore blasting America while 200,000 American soldiers sit just across the border under attack?

Also, why didn't Gore go visit the troops while he was over there?

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Playing the pathetic victim card are we? Let me guess, I am a gay basher? All Republicans hae gays and athiests? Grow up and read something other than ihatebush.com or republicansareeveil.com. Just because I have been shown pictures of Iraqis celebrating the US soldiers and your other facts have been proven wrong, don't start playing the victim game. This is a typical tactic of people that are loosing elections or debates. Just yell, “he hates gays and black people!” to deflect attention from your weak arguments.
Yeah, I made a funny by referencing Jerry Falwell's idiotic remarks. I added the, "Everything is Clinton's fault" crowd too just for good measure. Why, because those statements are as stupid as saying liberals blame America first.

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Ah, I understand it now! You are aloud to state how many Arabs "might" have been abused, but I am not allowed to show how pathetic your 700 Arabs arrested after 9-11 was? Also, I thought it was you who asked me to stay on subject? Why are you bringing up the number of dead soldiers in Iraq. This doesn't fit your own "stay on the subject" rule you tried to create earlier. Let me guess, everyone that disagrees with you must say on subject, but you can roam free off subject.
Funny thing is, once again, you avoid mentioning the actual object being discussed. Well done.

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Care to show me some facts of how Arabs have been abused in America? I can show you terrorists hand books that tell people to scream abuse when arrested.
For one, you can start looking Here.

After your done, you can go Here.

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it is called the "War on Terror." Maybe you heard of it? Our miliary is fighting terror in more places than two countries.
Does the "War on Terror" also encompass the Jeddah Economic Forum? How many in the audience have been declared enemy combatants? Does the War on Terror also include the entire globe? If so, does it really matter where Gore was speaking?

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Hey you spelt "embarrasing" wrong, it is spelt like this "embarrassing". "Besides your convienant spelling, That's a nice trick with letters." Silly isn't it?
Can't you even understand a simple sentence? "Besides your convienant math, That's a nice trick with numbers." Your nice trick with numbers has nothing to do with your mathmatical mistake, but your delegating a group of people to the role of a percentage.

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If you actually follow U.S./Saudi relations since Bush took office, you would have known that we moved our Air Operations Center out of Saudia Arabia and went to war against Iraq, which Saudi Arabia was 100% against. It is a weak argument to show a picture and show me how "in bed Bush is with the Saudis." What does this picture show? Bush's actions have gone against the Sauidis in the past few years. Just to break the news to you Michael's Moore movie is not a movie to reference for the truth in foreign affairs.
It shows that Bush talks with Saudis, that all Saudis are not our enemies. It doesn't show that Bush is in bed with the Saudis and has nothing to do with Michael Moore. You're talking as if Gore and Osama bin Ladin were both guest speakers at a Hamas barbeque. Gore was speaking at an economic council with Saudi business leaders, many of whom were educated in America. He said he disagreed with how difficult it was for Saudis to get visas to the US and that such policies were isolating the US and Saudi Arabia from each other. He admitted that the US has made mistakes after 9/11 and some people were abused. I'm not sure about you, but I don't think it was the first time the Saudis in the room ever heard about the abuse. Nor do I think that Bush was in league with terrorists when he apologized about Abu Graib, whether he said it in Iraq, the US or on Mars.

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Also, why didn't Gore go visit the troops while he was over there?
I don't know. Why don't you write him and find out, rather than just assuming that he doesn't care about US soldiers?
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Back on subject.

While some people think Gore was in Saudi Arabia talking about Visas, here are quotes from what Gore actually said. No spin.

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Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."
Does is help America's War on Terror or give more fuel to the jihadists? It would be silly to think Al Gore's statements will not be all of Saudi news.

The problem with people like Gore is that they do tours around the world and talk about the bad things that happen in America. Instead, he should be talking about the good things and promoting America, not promoting his agenda of another run in 2008. People like Jimmy Carter visit communists in South America and Gore visits the hot bed of Islamic fundamentalism and talks about how America abuses Arabs. Then he heads home when he should be visiting the troops in Iraq. Sorry if I have a problem with the man who almost became President slamming America in Saudi knowing that Jihadists will use his words to recruit new members.
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