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Old 09-11-2006, 11:14 PM
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911 and truth

Since this is the five year anniversary of 911, here's something to think about. I challenge you to seriously question your government's version of 911 because after you read this and and watch these google videos, you will certainly find a number of huge gaps in their theory (and that's what most of it is) about what actually happened and who was responsible.

As for my own view, well, I do think that al qaeda was involved, that they attacked the two towers; however, I don't think that the two towers fell as a result of the plane crash, and I also have serious questions about flight 93 and the plane (supposedly) that crashed into the Pentagon.

I remember a few months ago how CNN reported that the Pentagon released a photo to "prove" the "conspiracy theories" wrong - that it actually was a plane and not a missle. Well, I have to tell you that it wasn't very convincing. As much as CNN would like to make me believe that I really was seeing a plane, I couldn't make out anything from the blurb, certainly not the outlines of a plane. If that's all they have as "proof" it only gives the alternative narratives even more credibility.

Recently, I read that conservative "movie makers" have a new picture out now through Disney to engage in more 911 myth-making for brainwashed Americans to greedily gobble up. What I find so fantastic is that so many Americans are so gullible. They just believe whatever Big Brother tells them to believe through the MSM organ without so much of a wink of a question. There's no way I'd live in a country that has so many gullible, brainwashed idiots and fools who would believe that pigs fly as long as it were verified by FOX News or CNN.

Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think that the neocons and al qaeda teamed up together on the 911 attack. I'm sure that there are plenty of the Fox News type of Americans who will immeditately take that line of attack to try to discredit me. No, that's not what I'm saying happened. However, I do believe that the U.S. government had a whole lot more advanced, exact knowledge about the attacks than they're letting on. They keep the people on a need to know basis only through over-classification of information that might in any way be incriminating to key players.

No, my theory is that they had foreknowledge about the attacks, but rather than try to prevent them, they had the brilliant idea to use them to their advantage instead. As always, they engaged in the usual rationalization that innocent lives were going to be lost no matter what, so what is necessary is to devise a plan that would insure that the least amount of lives would be lost (by long term calculations, of course) as possible. So, they calculated that by allowing the attack, they would be able to use it to their advantage to gain support for their so-called "war on terror" that would put an end to the "terrorists" once and for all - that it would galvinize such unqualified support from the American people just as the Pearl Harbor attacks galvinized unqualified support for WWII. Through such unquestioning, unqualified support, they would then have the power to use whatever tools they deemed necessary to prosecute a war in whatever manner they deemed necessary - just the kind of power they would need to "win" the "war on terror."

They also figured that if they were to prevent the attack this time, it would only be a matter of time before another, perhaps more deadly attack, would occur on American soil, that it was inevitable, so they decided to let it happen and then use it to their advantage. They would even make it even bigger than it had planned by al qaeda. They'd outfox al qaeda by turning the attack into not only an attack on the World Trade Centers - no, they'd turn it into an attack on America, an attack that was as significant, if not more significant, as the attack on Pearl Harbor. The attack had to be seen as an attack on America that would be without question a declaration of war, so that the American Congress and people would "untie" their hands to give them the kind of power and leverage they needed to win the war.

So, al qaeda did stage the attack on the twin towers, but the rest was the added theatrics of that radical right wing group that hijacked the White House - the group that thinks it's so much more clever than the rest of us. All we need to do is just "trust them" because they are so obviously so much more intelligent than any of the rest of of us could even imagine. Why they have it all under control, and in the long run, they will prove to us all that they were right all along, that even though some American (and many others) lives would be lost, it was a "necessary evil" to prevent more lives from being lost in the future. Of course, when the U.S. dropped the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it was a necessary evil, right?. History has, no doubt, shown that they were right to do that, right? Many lives were saved because of those two nuclear explosions on those two cities, right? It is truly unfortunate that so many innocent civilians people had to die, right? It is also unfortunate that so many yet unborn would be condemned to a life of sufferent, but the ends justifies the means, right? Those people's lives were necessarily destroyed in order to save many times more lives that would have been lost if they had not dropped the bomb, right???????????????????????????

Check out the following links - if you can handle a bit of questioning and truth, that is.

http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml

For the "Loose Change" streaming video at google, click here:
http://www.loosechange911.com/

For the 911- the True Story" streaming video, click here:

http://www.911truestory.com/
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Re: 911 and truth

I think you need to pick and choose your conspiracy theories more carefully. There are by far more engineers who have shown what happened with the WTC and how it is possible for them to have collapsed under the circumstances. Just because some academic blow hard and his friends float some ridiculous ideas doesnt, make it true.
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Re: 911 and truth

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Of course, when the U.S. dropped the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it was a necessary evil, right?. History has, no doubt, shown that they were right to do that, right? Many lives were saved because of those two nuclear explosions on those two cities, right? It is truly unfortunate that so many innocent civilians people had to die, right? It is also unfortunate that so many yet unborn would be condemned to a life of sufferent, but the ends justifies the means, right? Those people's lives were necessarily destroyed in order to save many times more lives that would have been lost if they had not dropped the bomb, right???????????????????????????
Exactly right. In the context of those times, it is entirely probable that however repulsive the thought of nuclear destruction is today, that those two bombs saved Japan from something close to a total population kill off. You can not look at and judge these things from the view of today.
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Re: 911 and truth

Is this guy for real???

KafKorea,

As an eye witness at the Pentagon...that was a freakin' airplane that hit the building, and not a missile. Believe anything you want from your little readings on the internet, because we all know that whatever is on the internet must be true. But as a person that was there and saw with my own little eyes the aftermath of that, I can guarantee you that it was a plane. End of story.

You should really step away from the computer screen every now and then so you can enjoy the real world. The truth is out THERE.
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Re: 911 and truth

i still want to know why every attack, (sept 11, London, Madrid) all happened on days set aside to terriorist drills
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Re: 911 and truth

For the sake of these forums and to maintain a little respect for what this day means to most Americans...

Please, no one else reply to this intellectually dishonest drivel.

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Re: 911 and truth

i cant believe people still believe this shit theres a million sites on 9/11 theories. Our goverment wasnt behind it. It was OSama

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Re: 911 and truth

creative editing can lead you to nearly any conclusion imaginable... as previously stated there are other videos and presentations that show REAL HARD SCIENCE as to why none of that crap posted above has even a shred of truth to it, but thanks for posting anyway...
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Re: 911 and truth

I have personal friends that witnesssed the Pentagon hit, with photos. I don't have friends that saw the twin towers fall.
But I don't believe our "Government" was smart enough to pay attention to our own agents, who sent what should have been warnings to their superiors.
So, believe what you wish, it is past.
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Re: 911 and truth

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Since this is the five year anniversary of 911, here's something to think about. I challenge you to seriously question your government's version of 911 because after you read this and and watch these google videos, you will certainly find a number of huge gaps in their theory (and that's what most of it is) about what actually happened and who was responsible.

As for my own view, well, I do think that al qaeda was involved, that they attacked the two towers; however, I don't think that the two towers fell as a result of the plane crash, and I also have serious questions about flight 93 and the plane (supposedly) that crashed into the Pentagon.
To me, its a little bit like the govt hiding evidence that UFOs exist - the less info there is available, the more it implicates the govt. But the biggest thing to debunk it is always overlooked - the govt isn't THAT good at keeping this big a thing secret without something being leaked to the public. It would have to be a very small group to keep this kind of plan secret and something like this would need more than just a small number of people to succeed.

I'm someone who likes to look at tangible evidence before concluding anything - and if none is available, then the conclusion has to be left open, waiting for more evidence. I will hold a tentative belief but Not make it an absolute.
When i produce some of this evidence to the conspiracy crowds, its usually met with derision and more so the better the evidence looks. Popular mechanics put out the kind of report i prefer to crunch on - Can be seen Here or Here - A normally mellow poster, who had been taking nothing but disrespect from the others and remaining mellow, got angry with me when i agreed with him that a missile hit the pentegon and gave the link to that page - except the missile was a 150' long by 12' circumference. (If they get angry, then you know they found the evidence credible )

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I remember a few months ago how CNN reported that the Pentagon released a photo to "prove" the "conspiracy theories" wrong - that it actually was a plane and not a missle. Well, I have to tell you that it wasn't very convincing. As much as CNN would like to make me believe that I really was seeing a plane, I couldn't make out anything from the blurb, certainly not the outlines of a plane. If that's all they have as "proof" it only gives the alternative narratives even more credibility.
The problem i have with the Pentagon and the Penn crash site evidence - and even some in NY - is the authorities seem to allow the stories to be as obtuse as possible. Why wont they show any evidence from the crash sites or explain why we saw a different building come down later on, next to the two towers? (#7?) The only thing i heard from digging was "structural damage" - but why not make an effort to explain that and allow the conspiracy theories to grow instead? It leaves open the possibility of a different kind of conspiracy that is mentioned in that first link above (distraction). That is tangible too, because that kind of disinformation has been textbook strategy for a long time. If they have something to hide, they can feed the crackpots, so everything other than the official account will be discredited. It is a very effective tactic because of the way people jump to conclusions and hold on to them tightly. Allowing suspicions to prevale by not doing the easiest things to explain them away, is not a responsible thing to do.
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