Mike,
Either you like playing the ignorant role, or you are so used to skewing people's words that you don't realize the tone you have on these forums.

I have never threatened you verbally or physically. I am certain of this. I did mean it when I stated that I did not like you putting words in my mouth or speaking for me with no basis or rationale in making assumptions for me. That's what I meant when I literally said, 'don't put words in my mouth, I mean it.'

If you are to assume that as a physical threat, that would imply to me that you are prone to threats and violence. Particularly when the literal meaning is quite clear in that statement. There was no 'or else' post script to that.

As far as you driving people from this forum, it doesn't mean that you've banned or threatened or even ridiculed someone to the point of leaving. Far from it. It means that 'arguing' with you or having any sort of discourse has become unpleasant. Like I said before Mike. Do not put words in my mouth. This is not a 'victim' stance. This is a 'I'm tired of your partisan rantings with no hope for real discourse.' stance.

I don't particularly think of you as stupid or idiotic, I think you're of above average intelligence, which is why it's more distressing that you are completely oblivious to any other viewpoint. It's distressing from the standpoint that you are the MODERATOR (need I copy and paste the definition of what a moderator is?) of these forums. These forums have turned from what used to be a give and take realm of discourse to one of rabid partisan rantings. There is no feeling of true discussion and sharing of ideas.
To wit, why is Marmot's Hole such a good forum? Because there is a discussion of ALL viewpoints from various participants. The host is just that. A good host. You Mike, have turned this forum into a travesty of what intellectual debate is supposed to be. It's your own personal agenda in internet format. Why don't you remove the 'discussion' from the title because you're not advocating discussion for the public whole, you're turning this into Mike's Republican Political Agenda Website.

That's my two cents, it doesn't matter whether or not you ban or discourage me from posting on here, because I'm really just disappointed in your pathetic pontificating attitude. You could learn a lesson from the Marmot.

Bob,

Each reply of yours plays the victim.

Debating me is unpleasant, even though I do not ban, threaten or ridicule? So, you don't like the way I debate, so I am "driving everyone from this forum?" I present facts and respond to your posts. I keep it clean, but it is unpleasant? If you are too sensitive to debate, I suggest debating might no be for you.

Care to show me how you have NOT been partisan? I admit my partisanship, but you seem to believe you are a moderate, in the middle guy. I know that I am a conservative and do not hide it. I will wait for you to show me where you have been non-partisan.

I am oblivious to any other view point? So, I agree with roughly half America, but I am "oblivious" to any other view point? I don't agree with Liberal Democrats, agree with moderate Democrats on a lot (Ford Jr, Lieberman) and agree with Republicans 80% of the time, but I am "oblivious" to other view points? Bob, just because you and me don't agree a lot doesn't mean I don't value or agree with others. In the last election I found myself agreeing with 51% of America, which is over 150,000,000 million Americans.

A moderator? Bob, I am the owner of this site and not a moderator. I am the owner and admin. My moderators are Joe, Chuck and others.

You obviously didn't read the About this Forum. Take a look at it and you will see why I created this area. I know you area moderator on another site and am surprised you wouldn't read the rules of a forum before posting in it and complaining.

The part of this I find funny is I have not attacked you personally or anything outside of a normal debate. You are complaining because it is "unpleasant" responding to me. That is your chief complaint? I suggest learning that posting on a message board is different than real life. I think you will find my responses clean compared to all the name calling, swearing and personal attacks that go on on other boards and in political ads.

Bob, read the link above. I created these political forums so debates would not happen in the Korea discussion. You obviously did not read it. You area a classic victim. "Why can't there be true discussions and sharing ideas."

I think Doutes and others that have disagreed with me in the past would say they have been given equal chance to share ideas and have true discussion. Show me where I have disenfranchised posting or the sharing of ideas. We are doing this right now. Show me where I dis encourage debate or the sharing of ideas. This is the old Democrat idea of "disenfranchising voters" that is never proved, but repeated over and over.

Bob, you are unbelievable. I have some 40+ forums on this site and I ONLY post my political views in the Lounge and Political forum. You area great victim. It is funny that you are trying to silence my views on this site even though admitting I have never done anything to attack you personally or restrict your voice on this site. I have news for you, I will always voice my opinion in a format that allows it. I suggest reading the "about this forum". Show me how I have forced my political views on this site, when I ONLY post my political views on 1/40th of it.

Again, you are voicing your opinion, post after post and have the ability to out post me, but I am making this a Republican Political Agenda Website? There are well over 2,000 members that could voice their opinion in the opposite and drown me out.

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I would like to note that I have posted 5,500+ posts and over 5,000 of them have been about Korea. Is that building a Republican Agenda site or a Korea Agenda site?

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Interesting, with all that typing you have missed my point.
Have you ever noticed that very few people are outspoken in their agreement with you on issues Mike? You tend to outpost everyone on this forum... and I should specify particularly the political and religious discussion. But like I said, it's not a discussion.
As 'owner and admin' I guess it is your right to make the forums whatever it is. but it is disingenuous to call this place a discussion forum.

I've been out of town for awhile and was glad to see some spirited tug of war going on here when I logged back on today. getting back to Mikes original question as to why he didn't know why this was news, here is my view: It is news because most people with even a bit of a moral center consider things like this as wrong. It is wrong for the same reasons we think senior NCO's soliciting or sexually harassing junior NCO's is wrong. It is wrong for the same reasons we think teachers having sex with students is wrong. It is wrong for the same reason we think priests and other clergy having sex with the youth in their flocks is wrong. It is a person in power using that power to entice a younger, inexperienced person into a morally questionable situation. It is wrong and it is our government, therfore, it is news. Now, as to the timing of the news, well, that is just politics.

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Bob, you can cry all you want, but your point is weak. People can post freely and many do. You post and post and then state that I am the only one post. There is absolutely no restriction to posting and Doutes and you seem to post often in response to my posts. Then there is Kafkorea. Please don't act like I scare people away from posting. Don't divert attention from you inability to debate. I have never scared anyone away from posting and there are plenty of people that respond to my threads. Doutes and Kafkorea are not afraid to post without claiming I scare them, so I don't know why I scare you so much.

You definately made a major discovery, the founder and owner of a message board posting the most threads.

Again, I have never intimidated anyone from posting their thoughts or ideas. I have gotten into heated debates with you and Doutes many times, but I have never threatened or taking action against anyone. I have had many people e-mail me and post that they wanted me to remove Kafkorea's threads, but I didn't. Instead I posted replies to his threads instead of censoring him.

It is funny that YOU are the only one trying to limit speech by telling me I should only post topics and stay out of political debates because I am a moderator. Think about that a little.

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Welcome back Turk. Do I scare you?

I agree that this is unethical. Foley has stepped down and is facing possible charges. He never did have sex with the page (unlike Bill Clinton with Monica), and if he did anything inappropriate with others the man should pay the price. He has already lost his congressional seat. So, in the end Foley is no longer in government and will be brought up on charges if he did anything illegal. What more should we do to him?

I agree strongly with your analogy about rank in the military. Just because they are off legal age, doesn't make it right to have a relationship. In the military you will lose stripes and/or get booted out of the military. In congress you step down or get removed.

It is silly the blanket all Republicans with the Foley scandal just like it is silly to blanket all Democrats with having a former KKK member as their senior senator.

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This entire post is sorta ironic and funny because it is classic Mike.

You still fail to understand me and yet respond voluminously. Bravo.

I never stated you were the only one to post Mike.
Maybe instead of responding to your post item by item with a retort, I should just make a post of all the things I haven't said, which you then turn around and twist into things that I am 'saying'.
Nah. Clearly it's a waste of time with you. What's more ironic is you saying that I don't know how to debate. I guess that's the basis for all of this. I just don't know how to debate. You got me Mike.

The whole point about being a moderator or moderating a forum, which you so unequivocably pointed out that you are not.. is that all you do is set forth an agenda, it's not about debate, it's about rhetoric to you.
When anyone brings up even a semi-valid point, you _used_ to say, hey, I can see where you're coming from. Now, all you do is spew 'fact' after 'fact' and then bring in some random trivia from left field to distract from the fact that you have no real support aside from baseless assertions backed up by some copy/paste item from wikipedia. I know, I exagerate, but at least I can admit to that.

I have never said you intimidated anyone, all I said was that 'debating' with you has become distasteful, largely due to your intellectual dishonesty. And _that_ will drive anyone who is truly about political discourse away.

Yet, by pointing all of this out, I am 'crying' and 'playing victim.'
Notice I've never cussed you out or threatened you with anything. I've been civil and if anything, I've been far too accomodating. On that note, I will exit this forum and take my 'inability to debate' elsewhere.

Mike, you don't scare me, and you haven't scared me from posting on here. Read what I said and try to understand it before you pompously presume some inane assumption and then spin it to fit your needs.

Have a nice day.

Take care Bob, cut and running seems to fit a certain party.

Your final post is far from the truth. Sorry for posting a threasd and defending my positions with facts. I have yet to see you agree with a single post of mine. Sounds like the pot calling the Kettle black.

In real life, just like in Dodge Ball there are winners and losers. Sorry that I didn't sing "We are the World, We are the Children." or "Give Peace a Chance" with you.


You disagree with me and I am being "intellectual dishonesty." Sounds like a nice word for, "I got nothing, so I will complain."

Take care and have fun moderating.

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