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Old 10-27-2006, 03:36 AM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

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I have to say, the ad poses the most idiotic argument I've heard this election. If you followed its logic, we should ban organ donation to prevent accidental deaths.
Big difference. An organ donor must state that he is an organ donor. At least in Texas and Massachusetts, the states I have lived in. You must volunteer as an organ donor or they can't take your organs. There is choice in this case.

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We don't know what the fruits of embryonic stem cell research will provide. They may fall short. However, they may be much more beneficial than we have imagined, which is why we are continuing to do research.
So, much like Global Warming there is no real proof. Just models and theories. That is exactly what Jim Talent is stating and how I feel. I don't think we should be harvesting stem cells and spending billions if the chances are the same as hitting the lottery. I would be interested to hear from some unbiased scientists. Maybe I will do some research later.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:16 AM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

Is this great:

Appearing on This Week, stem cell research advocate Michael J. Fox admitted to host George Stephanopoulos that he has not read the Missouri stem cell/cloning amendment he campaigned for.

As I suspected, Michael J. Fox is being used by the Democratic party. He NEVER even read the preposal he is backing.

Video of his interview here.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:03 AM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

Methinks you should read the whole interview and honestly promulgate the contents within, not just pick out a tiny slice, misapply it and then promote it as the whole and only truth.

Intellectual honesty Mike. You should try it.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:13 AM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

Methinks Michael J. Fox did not read the proposition no matter how much of the interview I watch. He said it 100%, "In full disclosure I did not read the proposition."

Michael J. Fox most likely read a summary that the Democratic senator sent him.

Again, he did not read the proposition not matter what spin Democrats try. Watch video! It is not my words, it is Michael J. Fox's words!
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:25 AM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

and that proves?
He detailed the process in which he chose the candidate to support. To him, it's not a partisan issue.

You want to tell me that you've read every single regulation page by page ever written that you have referred to?

Do you honestly believe that every single person who has ever backed a proposition has read line by line, page by page, each and every word written in that proposition?

Do you think that Rush Limbaugh who criticized, and later apologized, Michael J. Fox and said he was making up his shakes and movements in the ad read the proposition in whole?

That's what I'm talking about when I say intellectual honesty. Try and framing the whole truth, instead of putting out tidbits that seemingly appear to support whatever argument you have.

What honestly are you trying to prove here?

Oh. Right, he's a democratic shill. I guess that's the main thrust of your post. Which, if you read the entire interview, undermines that assertion.

Additionally, he wasn't cornered into admitting he didn't read the proposition. In fact, he says specifically says he didn't although, he agrees with the spirit or intent of the bill. From the tone of your post, you make it sound like it's something he tried to hide or is unabashedly ignorant about and yet is blindly following partisan politics.

Intellectual honesty. Better than milk!
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:40 AM
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You want to tell me that you've read every single regulation page by page ever written that you have referred to?
If I were going to make a political ad in three separate states, yes I would read what i was supporting. Every single one of them and every page.

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Do you honestly believe that every single person who has ever backed a proposition has read line by line, page by page, each and every word written in that proposition?
Not every single person, but anyone with power and influence should now what he is backing, especially when it effects so many. We are talking about using embryos for research and cloning. This is not a proposition for building a bridge. It is complex and anyone with trying to use is influence to sway votes should at least read a few pages. Now he looks foolish.

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Do you think that Rush Limbaugh who criticized, and later apologized, Michael J. Fox and said he was making up his shakes and movements in the ad read the proposition in whole?
That is Limbaugh's opinion. I do not agree with it, but Limbaugh also said, "He purposely was off his medicine to make a bigger impact on the commercial." That is the truth. None of us know if Michael J. Fox was over-doing his movements or not. I would say he was not and Limbaugh was wrong.

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That's what I'm talking about when I say intellectual honesty. Try and framing the whole truth, instead of putting out tidbits that seemingly appear to support whatever argument you have.
Here is the "whole truth". Michael J. Fox made several commercials in several states. He is backing several candidates and made commercials that were not 100% truthful. He stated that the "other candidate is against funding research" that can help cure Parkinson's. Not true. These candidates voted for funding of stem cell research NOT using embryos. Michael J. Fox was backing a proposition in a state that he did not read. He admitted this on national TV. Did I miss anything?

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What honestly are you trying to prove here?
Michael J. Fox is backing a proposition that he didn't read. I think It is pretty clear what I am trying to prove.

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Additionally, he wasn't cornered into admitting he didn't read the proposition. In fact, he says specifically says he didn't although, he agrees with the spirit or intent of the bill. From the tone of your post, you make it sound like it's something he tried to hide or is unabashedly ignorant about and yet is blindly following partisan politics.
Bob, have you ever read a bill? Just because there is a title and a "spirit" of the bill means very little. You can have a proposition that states it is funding for a bridge, but if you read the proposition it talks about funding the Boy Scouts as well. Bills are not narrow as people ad on 20 items. You can vote for the "spirit" of a bill all you want, but if you don't read the entire bill you really don't know what you are voting for.

There was a bill is Massachusetts that I voted against. It was to raise a $0.75 tax on cigarettes and the money would be used for good. That was the "spirit" of the bill. Well, after reviewing the bill I found out the money went into a fund that could be used, "the way the Massachusetts board sees fit." That is pretty broad and means they can use the money for just about anything even though proponents of the bill stated the money would be used to educate the youth of the horrors of smoking. Well, there is the "spirit" of a bill and then there is the actual text of the bill.

Bob, next time you sign your lease or buy a car, don't bother reading the contract, just sign the contract based on the "spirit" of the contract.
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Old 10-31-2006, 12:56 PM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

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That is Limbaugh's opinion. I do not agree with it, but Limbaugh also said, "He purposely was off his medicine to make a bigger impact on the commercial." That is the truth. None of us know if Michael J. Fox was over-doing his movements or not. I would say he was not and Limbaugh was wrong.
Mike, are you honestly saying that "He purposely was off his medicine to make a bigger impact on the commercial." is the truth?
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Old 10-31-2006, 03:10 PM
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

That was a mis-type on my part.

By this: He purposely was off his medicine to make a bigger impact on the commercial." That is the truth.

I mean that Limbaugh said it, not that I believe Michael J. Fox went off his meds to make an impact. I do stand by this:
None of us know if Michael J. Fox was over-doing his movements or not. I would say he was not and Limbaugh was wrong.
I believe Limbaugh was wrong to say it and should have said it the way I stated it. No one knows except Michael J. Fox and those who are close to him.

I can see where Limbaugh would think that. Michael J. Fox looked so normal in Sin City when he was on medication, but behind the scenes he was suffering and shaked. Limbaugh probably made his assumptions on this. More likely the truth is Michael J. Fox's disease has progressed to the point that medication will do little.

I don't know the truth. Did Michael J. Fox go off his meds to make an impact? Probably not, but I don't know. Would it be smart of him to do so? Yes.
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

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Big difference. An organ donor must state that he is an organ donor. At least in Texas and Massachusetts, the states I have lived in. You must volunteer as an organ donor or they can't take your organs. There is choice in this case.
That's not what I'm talking about. The ad protrays a fetus talking about it's future. The ad is essentially saying that stemcell research kills babies. Stemcell research kills as many fetus as organ donation kills people. Why is that? Because the embryos being used in stemcell research in Missouri would have normally been thrown away. Yes, thrown in the trash. Banning stemcell research isn't going to change that, just like banning organ transplant will not stop people from dying.
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Re: Michael J. Fox ad, a new low?

Also you can sign an organ donor card and it will mean nothing, as they still have to get concent from your your family. who can say yes or no no matter what your donor status is
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