As I was listening to Obamas speech the other night, and it was a powerful one, I noted that he touched on all the issues. The one thing none of our politicians has told the truth about to the American people is the truth about oil. Numbers don't lie, at least valid numbers don't. America is at the beginning of a paradigm shift. It has been almost un-noticable but, it is beginning to accelerate. Absolutley everything we do, wear, eat has been based on an oil economy. Oil use has exceeded production for awhile now and it will get worse. The offshore drilling, anwar and others are small stop gap measures. It is the gigantic oil fields of the world that we have depended on for decades that are not only in decline, the product is also being used more by the citizens in the countries in which the oil is produced. Oil exports to the USA will begin to decrease over time. Just a few years ago many bloggers and analysts were discussing peak oil and trying to take educated guesses as to when the world would actually enter the peak oil period. Well, it happened while they were talking and writing about it, around the end of 2005. Matt Simmons predicted over a year ago that by the time this election came that energy would be the most discussed issue, because the oil is indeed running out. As T Boone Pickens says, we can't drill our way out. There is no silver bullet. All options have to be used. This is the most important issue to listen to the candidates debate. Without ample supplies of energy to fuel our way of life, there is no more 'our way of life'. cheers.

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Turk Quid Pro Quo

AMEN!

Thank you , Turk for putting it so much more eloquently than I did..

Though..umm..I'm beginning to freak out here. Twice in one thread!?!

Satan must be throwing snowballs about now! :) LOL :)

Dee :)

-who hopes y'all know that this teasing is just that, -teasing- ,and good-natured in intent. We may not have always agreed, Turk, but I definitely respect you for your willingness to express your opinion. :)

I am out of touch... that is just priceless!

Not going to read that long post above, don't have the time right now. Good luck with whatever it is you believe in, and let me know how voting for Obama works out for you.

Turk, I read what you said but it sounded to me like you had been sucked in a little bit. Run away from the light... run away!

Hmm.. Interesting facts about Sarah Palin:

Experience...

She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no national level political or foreign policy experience.

Umm..where's the "more experience than Obama" here?

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Anti-abortion Stance

Not only is Sarah Palin against abortions in the traditional elective sense, she is on record as being against abortion in the tragic case of rape or incest.

While this may again, draw the support of the religious right, it may also sway the women voters who *aren't* voting for a woman just because she's a woman, but who are looking toward the issues of women's health and rights to Obama's side.

http://www.naral.org/elections/elect...008_palin.html

Her Record of Support

She's known to have been a staunch right wing extremist Pat Buchanan Supporter in 2000, which may scare off some of the middle of the road voters who don't embrace Buchanan politics.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstre...in_buchananite

Religion in the Schools..

Sarah Palin believes that creationism should be taught in the schools.. which, quite frankly, is a position I can support,as long as it's presented *alongside* evolution. This position will no doubt endear her to the religious right.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-8243554c.html

Her energy policy.. drilling.. forget renewable resources.

Sarah Palin 's only response to the energy crunch.. offshore drilling. Renewable resources? They're "years away" so why worry about them? *cough* And while breaking with the Bush administration's policies are a good thing, a lawsuit against the Bush administration to have polar bears removed from the endangered species list so that there can be more "big oil" in Alaska, despite the predictions of scientists that global warming is decimating the populations of polar bears doesn't exactly reflect a real respect for the environment or the potential to at least allay the affects of global warming... oh, but then again, why should she worry about global warming, she denies it exists, despite scientific evidence? :)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3987891.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-..._b_122428.html

How much does McCain really know about his running mate?

And frostbyte.. you might find this one interesting, given our discussion about how the investigation of her on the corruption charges might affect the campaign.. you said you were sure that McCain had talked about it with her?

I doubt they had much time to talk about anything, since they met *ONCE*.. yes.. *ONCE* . They spoke on the phone *ONCE* after that..and then he announced her as his running mate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...9/1307122.aspx

What do Alaskans , who have been under Palin's leadership think of her?

Disclaimer: These statements may be biased, because they were admittedly provided by an organization that openly supports Obama, MoveOn.org.. however, given the facts above, they don't seem like stretches of the imagination.

"She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK"

"She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK"

"As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L.,
Anchorage, AK"

"Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK"

"She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK"

"I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK"

Not exactly glowing endorsements from those who know her leadership best.

Dee :)

So now who is out of touch?? The statement was that she had more EXECUTIVE experience than Obama. In fact she has more than Obama, McCain or Biden combined.

Oh, and wikipedia is not what I would call a reputable source. I have an editor's account there, and it is just far too easy to "tweak" things on there.

and how in the world can you begin to accept ANYTHING from moveon.org at face value??? sheesh... suckers really are born every minute!

I'm thankful for a free country where we can all express our opinions, however different they may be!

Politics and Religion is the subject of this particular forum. That could be a death sentence in certain countries. We are blessed just being able to disagree! Keep up the good work of keeping cool, and understand that the folks we elect to Congress are the people who actually run the country. We will get what we deserve if we dont pick the right Senators and Representatives. Think first, then vote.

You skipped a step....

think, research, then vote

if you don't check up on these knuckleheads, you could be voting for a serial killer based on one stupid commercial you saw during your favorite sitcom, and that is no way to choose your leaders!

Hey, I am a conservative but, not in the republican sense. neither a democrat nor republican be. Clear and honest, non-aligned thinking about the issues is what the future requires. Cheers!

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Turk Quid Pro Quo

Umm.. ss, you really should -read- posts before you start correcting them.

Here is the quote that I responded to in it's entirety..

Nowhere in the statement I replied to was the word "EXECUTIVE" that you so heavily emphasize mentioned to be found.

Who's out of touch? Umm..I'd still say it's you, if you're reading things into something that just aren't there...

And yes, I'll grant your point that wiki isn't the best source to quote.. but, fortunately, check any number of sources and they'll agree on the same thing.

Hmm..I wonder if you'd consider a member of McCain's own campaign staff as a reliable source.. since a top official from that campaign was quoted in an article from Yahoo news.

"The risks of a backlash from choosing someone so unknown and so untested are obvious. In one swift stroke, McCain demolished what had been one of his main arguments against Obama.

'I think we’re going to have to examine our tag line, ‘dangerously inexperienced,’ a top McCain official said wryly.

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