The leftist loser in Mexico has learned from Al Gore and other lefties in America; if you lose a close race (even though you have the advantage) call for a dozen recounts. After each recount comes back with you losing by even more than you thought, ask for another and another and another and ...

Soon we will hear about disenfranchising voters, the draft and other lefty techniques.

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Mike,

Why is it wrong to count every vote? How are recounts wrong in any way, whether they be for liberals or Republicans? Is anouncing the winner within a day of the election more important than determining who received the greater amount of votes?

I have no problem with recounts. I have problems with asking for a recount and the results showing the SAME thing and then after these results confirm the same thing, you ask for another recount. After asking for several recounts and making the election appear super close, you can then complain about it for years as a super close election.

How often do we have to hear that Bush stole the 2000 election, even though the New York Times, LA Times and other major newspapers confirmed that Bush's lead in Florida INCREASED each time after the recounts?

This is a Leftist strategy of making an election closer than it is.

Who says that recounts can't be corrupted? Can you honestly state that this Leftist President would have given his opponent a recount if he won by a slim margin?

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You think complaining is a strategy?



If you think the issues about stealing elections is primarily about recounts, you're wrong. It's about police roadblocks, felon purges, and hanging chads. And I don't know how you come with the idea that the lead increased with each recount, it didn't. As of the night of the election, Bush was over 1000 votes ahead of Gore. When the recount was stopped by the Supreme Court, Bush only had a 537 vote lead.

Ugh... the Florida recount was mandatory under state law. 1,000 votes in a state of millions is a really, really close election.

That isn't an argument, it's an excuse. I'm for recounts, regardless of party. Many states have mandatory recounts by law if the election is close enough. Many states also open the recount to the press and other observers, reducing the chance of corruption. This doesn't mean that recounts are perfect. They aren't and how a recount is done can certainly change the results. However, not one of those is an argument not to have recounts, it is simply an argument to have more standard procedures set up within a state and more vigorous standards to produce a fair and honest election.

You did read my post right? I clearly stated that, "New York Times, LA Times and other major newspapers confirmed that Bush's lead in Florida INCREASED each time after the recounts."

These newspapers investigated the Florida election months after. You are talking about the initial recount that was done by hand. Again, this LIBERAL news sources looked into the election and confirmed Bush the winner. They went in trying to prove Gore was the winner and had to concede otherwise. You do remember the New York Times right? The ones leaking every classified report they can get their hands on to embarrass Bush?

This is a nice belief system that is great in dreamland, but doesn't happen. The Supreme Court Ruled 7-2 with two liberals voting in favor of stopping the recount because Gore was trying to change the rules how votes would be counted.

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Tuesday, Dec. 12—The U.S. Supreme Court rules in Bush v. Gore 7–2 to reverse the Florida Supreme Court, which had ordered manual recounts in certain counties. The Court contends that the recount was not treating all ballots equally, and was thus a violation of the Constitution's equal protection and due process guarantees.

Recounts can be BAD business because you will have people with hindsight try to change the rules and how a ballot is counted. Gore filed a dozens of motions to try to throw out ballots in one area (strong for Bush) and then make ballots count in other areas that favored him. Gore was trying to recount votes in ONE area, not state wide. Out of 6 Million votes he was attempting to get recounts in areas that he could get court ruling to work in his favor.

Wednesday, Nov. 8—Gore calls Bush at approximately 3 A.M. to concede, but retracts the concession shortly after, because Bush's razor-slim lead prompts an automatic recount. He leads Gore by about 1,210 votes out of nearly 6 million cast in Florida. Meanwhile Gore leads in both the national popular count and the electoral college.

Thursday, Nov. 9—Gore's camp requests a hand recount of the approximately 1.8 million ballots cast in Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Volusia counties, Democratic strongholds.

Notice where he was trying to get recounts?

Friday, Nov. 10—Florida's automatic recount is completed. The Associated Press reports that Bush has retained his lead but only by 327 votes.

Notice that the AP, the guys that voted for Gore 10-1 confirmed Bush the winner! These guys voted for Gore and confirmed Bush the winner! That was not enough. Gore moved on.

Saturday, Nov. 18—With a tally of absentee ballots, uncertified count has Bush ahead of Gore by 930 votes.

Friday, Dec. 1—The U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on whether the Florida Supreme Court acted properly when it forced the Florida secretary of state to accept manual recounts submitted after the legal deadline.

The Florida Supreme Court denies Gore's appeal to immediately begin recounting ballots and rejects motion filed by some Palm Beach County citizens who questioned the integrity of the “butterfly ballot.”

Gore requests a count of approximately 14,000 “undervotes” from Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties.

Monday, Dec. 4—Judge Sauls rejects Gore’s contest of the election results, saying the vice president failed to prove that hand recounts would have altered the results. Gore appeals to the Florida Supreme Court.

Now we are up to several judges, the Florida Supreme Court and the AP Press saying "Gore, you have lost." But Gore knows better and keeps pushing.

Thursday, Dec. 7—Gore's legal team appeals Sauls's ruling. Bush's lawyers argue that the decision should stand.

Friday, Dec. 8—The Florida Supreme Court, ruling on Gore's appeal, orders manual recounts in counties with large numbers of undervotes. Bush appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court and seeks injunction to stop recounts.

In two separate lawsuits, Leon County Circuit Court judges refuse to throw out absentee ballots from Seminole and Martin counties that had been disputed by Gore.

Are we seeing a trend of recount tactics? Gore did EVERYTHING in his power to kill the military absentee vote. He was using the recount to get enough Bush votes thrown out and enough of his "undervotes" to get counted. Who was trying to steal the election?

Saturday, Dec. 9—The U.S. Supreme Court votes 5–4 to halt the hand recounts and sets a hearing for Dec. 11.

Florida Supreme Court hears appeal on whether absentee ballots in Martin and Seminole counties should be counted.

Tuesday, Dec. 12—The U.S. Supreme Court rules in Bush v. Gore 7–2 to reverse the Florida Supreme Court, which had ordered manual recounts in certain counties. The Court contends that the recount was not treating all ballots equally, and was thus a violation of the Constitution's equal protection and due process guarantees. The Supreme Court of Florida would be required to set up new voting standards and carry them out in a recount.

Wednesday, Dec. 13—In another decision, Florida Supreme Court decides not to hear an appeal from Gore asking that absentee ballots from Martin and Seminole counties be thrown out.

Again, the Florida Supreme Court who sided with gore several times finally had enough.

So, we had the Press, several federal and state judges, the Florida Supreme Court and the Supreme Court all rule in favor of President Bush, but 6 years later I have to hear that Bush stole the election even though Gore did everything to kill the military vote and sway votes through this recount.

Recounts are not what they seem! Recounts are not just people recounting to confirm the numbers. The looser always atempts to change the counting rules and throw out votes in the victors area and increase votes in his area. Recounts always turn into shams!

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