question to US soldiers

Taichan · #1 06-18-2006, 01:45 AM

What is your problem with working as a UN Peace Keeper?

I've never heard to much complaining about this then in the US, most canadian soldiers i know are proud to carry the title of PEACE KEEPER

Bear · #2 06-18-2006, 03:04 AM

I don't think most US soldiers would have a problem, in general, of doing their duty as determined by their national leadership. If that happens to be UN duty, then so be it. Plenty of US soldiers have done that duty in the past without complaint. I think the reason you'll hear some complaint more recently is that the UN has lately been a stronghold of anti-US sentiment. I think most soldiers would think that no matter who they're working for, they ultimately carry the title of PEACE KEEPER.

mike · #3 06-18-2006, 05:13 AM

Well, just look what the UN did in Yugoslavia, Somalia and Sudan.

In Bosnia, the UN peace keepers were handcuffed to the bridges and other targets. Why? Because UN peace keepers go into countries with unreasonable Rules of Engagement. They are typically unarmed or lightly armed.

Or how about Srebrenica? because the UN was so lightly armed, they allowed the Serbs to march out over 5,000 civilians and murder them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

In Somalia, there were several UN peace keepers that were killed and their uniforms taken. I think they were from Pakistan or Africa. Somalia thugs simply walked up, killed several UN peace keepers and took their uniforms.

In Sudan, the UN did and still does absolutely nothing.

I could go on and on about the UN's incompetence and why I would not want to serve under the UN. I would go if ordered to, but would not like it.

Taichan · #4 06-18-2006, 06:11 AM

I don't have facts to argue with that Mike (and because its 5am i'm not oging to)

but please never give me a wiki link at a fact, because basically anyone can write what they want into one of those even if its not true.

if i wanted i could write Hillary clinton was the 14th president

mike · #5 06-18-2006, 06:24 AM

Quote:

if i wanted i could write Hillary clinton was the 14th president

Why don't you try it and let me know what happens.

Parisok · #6 06-18-2006, 11:20 PM

she does have a point Mike. If you claim something as fact that is not common knowledge then the burden of proof is on the person that makes the claim. This is one of the points USinKorea trys to make about claims by the anti-US groups they use hearsay as fact and when presented with contrary statements and facts can only produce an single incident or two and say that is that way for everything.
It may be because of politics here that I nowdoubt every news fact that comes out. The facts are never presented as a whole but only in part. Been that way for a long time I guess it is age that made me realize it.

Bear · #7 06-19-2006, 01:35 AM

I think Mike's point was that Wikipedia is pretty tightly policed, even if it is a collaborative encyclopedia. I don't really know enough about their policies to say one way or the other, but I've generally found that their information is pretty solid.

As for the UN, I would say that it's mostly a matter of very strict rules of engagement for peace keeping forces. They're hands are generally tied by policy and they're often undermanned.

mike · #8 06-19-2006, 06:36 AM

Guys, just type Srebrenica massacre in Google. That all I did and I pasted in Wikipedia. I could have pasted in 100s of of links. Wikipedia is very tight and you can't simply edit the "earth is flat" because they have editors that have to approve the submission.

Srebrenica happened and that is a fact. The UN soldiers were powerless to act because of the Rules of Engagement and being under manned and armed. The same happened in Rwanda. Why would I want to get sent somewhere so I can watch massacres instead of stopping them?

Quote:

The United Nations must accept partial responsibility for the mass killings of Srebrenica in 1995 - Europe's worst massacres since World War II, according to a UN report.

An estimated 7,000 men and boys were slaughtered in the so-called UN ''safe area'' after the Bosnian Muslim town was overrun by Serbs.

In his report, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said ''safe areas'' should never be established again without credible means of defence.

And he said UN peacekeepers should never be deployed again where there is no ceasefire or peace agreement.

His 155-page report said the UN Security Council should have approved "more decisive and forceful action to prevent the unfolding horror".

"Not since the horrors of World War II had Europe witnessed massacres on this scale," Mr Annan added. "The tragedy of Srebrenica will haunt our history forever."

Mr Annan said observers had been quick to blame the Dutch UN battalion which withdrew from Srebrenica in the face of Serb attack.
But he pointed out that the Dutch commander's repeated requests for the use of air power were turned down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/521825.stm

All of the people killed were under UN control and the Serbs said, "give them to us your you will be killed." The UN gave them to the Serbs.

WARNING - NOT FOR KIDS

The UN is an effective charity, but not as a military force. Should I start posting the failures of the UN in Rwanda next? Somalia?

This is the major problem I have with the idiots in the UN.

Quote:

Mr Annan said the UN was wrong to declare it would only use Nato air power against the Serbs as a last resort.

"The cardinal lesson of Srebrenica is that a deliberate and systematic attempt to terrorise, expel or murder an entire people must be met decisively with all necessary means, and with the political will to carry the policy through to its logical conclusion," he added.

Gee, golly! Do you think you may want to use all force necessary to stop a massacre? The morons at the UN had to wait until they saw a massacre to figure this out.

Mike

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