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Old 12-07-2005, 06:26 PM
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Spielberg's 'Munich' Is the Best Movie of 2005

Looks like some are calling the movie Munich the best film of 2005. It looks like it will be a great movie. It is about the terrorists murder of the Jewish athletes during the 1972 Olympics and the hunt down of the Palestinians by israeli special forces after.
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Think about this..

Spielberg (Jew) makes a movie called Munich (Nazi) about a group of Palestinians ("Controlled Muslims") who are hunted down by Isreali Special Forces (Nazi)... Oh and thats only because they are forced to live in their camps, I mean the Gaza and West Bank, they decide to take some aggression out on their Israeli suppressors. (in the only way that they can)

This Israeli/Palestinian conflict is perhaps the worst of our time. We preach to Muslims about abandoning their Jihad ways while we supply Isreal with tanks and bulldozers to level their homes.

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Old 12-09-2005, 01:39 PM
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Honestly, most Americans have very little understanding of the problems in the Middle East.

Did you know the Palestinians were offered a homeland the same time that Israel was in 1940s? Israel accepted their little sliver of land (1/4 of 1 percent of all the land in the Middle East) and the Palestinians turned down the U.N's offer. The day Israel declared their homeland, they were invaded by almost every single Islamic country in the Middle East.

I am not Jewish or pro-Israel, but totally disagree with any people who feel that sending their children to their death by killing countless civilians is a way to solve problems.

Let me ask you a question. If the Palestinians were given the same military equipment that we give Israel, would there be a single Jew alive today in the Middle East?

If you gave the Palestinians (or any Middle Eastern country) nukes, F-15, tanks, do you think they would show restraint and not kill every Jew? Israel has shown marvelous constraint considering they could kill millions of Muslims with the push of a few buttons. Don't think for an instance that the Palestinians wouldn't nuke Israel if they had the option.

The poverty the Palestinians live in is the total responsibility of the Palestinians leadership. I have done research on the money donated to them. Arafat received some $10 billion while he was President and piled it into his and other leaders bank accounts. Why do you think his wife lived in France and everyone was fighting over his body? They have some 60% unemployment because of their own corruption.

Again, Israel owns ¼ of 1 percent of all the land in the Middle East and they are supposed to give up land in the name of peace? Why don’t other Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Did you know only Jordan allows Palestinians citizenship into their country? It is shameful shat Muslims are using Palestinian as a recruitment center for suicide bombers.

I also get sick of the same line, “well, that was the Palestinians land 60 years ago.” Well, then we should give Florida back to Spain and most of the western part of the U.S. back to Mexico. Just about anyone can point to an old map and say, “That was my land!” Anyone remember Hitler claiming historical land ownership to invade European countries? How about China invading Tibet or claiming Taiwan today? Israel owns the land they own today because they were invaded 2 times! The Golan Heights and the West Bank are natural buffers that the Israelis use to keep from being fired at or invaded.

Take a look at history and you will see the Israelis have already given back the Sinai Peninsula and the southern part of Lebanon (taken in 1983).

What is comical in my view is how much attention gets placed on the Palestinian problem. Why don’t people focus on Tibet or the Kurdish areas? They are much larger pieces of land and much more people? I will tell you why, because it is Jews occupying land. Let an Arabic country occupy another Arabic country then it is ok. Let’s remember that Israel was invaded twice and had to pre-empt a third invasion.

Again, I have no respect for a people that think that blowing up civilians on a bus with nails wrapped around a bomb is the solution to any problem. This is what Tim McVeigh did and idiots that blow up abortion clinics.

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Old 12-09-2005, 02:45 PM
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After I posted, I noticed the Iranians proving my point.

From the President of Iran.

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Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that if Germany and Austria feel responsible for massacring Jews during World War II, a state of Israel should be established on their soil. Ahmadinejad, who sparked an international outcry in October when he said Israel "must be wiped off the map", also repeated his view Thursday that the Jewish state was a "tumour".

"So, Germany and Austria, come and give one, two or any number of your provinces to the Zionist regime so they can create a country there which all of Europe will support and the problem will be solved at its root," he said.

"Why do they insist on imposing themselves on other powers and creating a tumour so there is always tension and conflict?"

Official Iranian media frequently carry sympathetic interviews with Holocaust revisionist historians -- who attempt to establish that the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was wildly exaggerated.

Iran refuses to recognise Israel.
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Mike,

"The day Israel declared their homeland, they were invaded by almost every single Islamic country in the Middle East."

That is a pretty bold statement when the truth is that only three countries tried to invade Israel during what was called the "Six Day War." Said countries include Syria, Egypt and Jordan.

"The poverty the Palestinians live in is the total responsibility of the Palestinians leadership."

While this statement is true it is by far not the only reason for the vast amount of poverty in Palestine. Any country land-locked (although the Gaza Strip is along the coast, it is a mere sliver of land hardly able to keep a stable coastal econmoy) will be unable to provide a stable job market. A graph of any land-locked country will show this to be true.

Check out the CIA Worldfact book if you want. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

I am not trying to side with either people here and I also share the same disgust for anyone who uses children as suicide bombers. I think they are all cowards, but I think the same for the Israeli soldiers who hide behind their tanks and bulldozers destroying more and more Palestinian homes. Both sides have commited numerous atrocities against eachother and validify their reasoning for such actions as pay-back or punishment for a previous misdeed.

Without the United States support there is no doubt in my mind that there would be no Israel today. At the same time I can understand the majority of Palestinians ill temper towards Israelis who infringe on more and more land that is supposedly Palestinian. Can there ever be peace in this middle-eastern conflict? I think with the death of Arafat and the recent negotiation attempts anything is possible.

And the unemployment rate is not quite that high, it's more around 27%.

Have you seen the film "Death in the Gaza" if not I highly recommend it.
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The unemployment rate is much higher. Here are some figures:

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The Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy (MIFTAH) estimates Palestinian unemployment as being at 39.8%. The Palestine Monitor, estimates that unemployment has reached 48% in the West Bank and 67% in Gaza. The CIA World Factbook on Gaza and the West Bank estimates Palestinian unemployment at 50%.
I knew it was somewhere around 50-60% in the worse areas. It is almost criminal how the leadership of the Palestinians and the rest of the Islamic countries in the Middle East.

The Saudis and many others countries have fund raising marathons to raise money for the families of suicide bombers. How about a fund raiser to simply help the Palestinians? The fact is Middle Eastern countries could care less about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are a great source of suicide bombers and a "cause" for the Muslims in the Middle East. As long as the Palestinians are poor and unemployed and the Israelis occupy an inch of land, they have a propaganda tool. It is in their interest to have a poor and occupied Palestine.

Now on to the invasion in 1948.

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The Arabs not only rejected partition, but attacked Israel from all sides. On the day that Israel declared its independence, the Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha declared "jihad", a holy war. He said, "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades".1 The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini stated, "I declare a holy war, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!" 2 The armies of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq invaded the tiny new country with the declared intent of destroying it.
It was at least 5 armies and the Palestinian Arabs that invaded Israel. Don't be fooled into thinking that other Arab countries didn't send forces.

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Arab League (armies from Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, and a token force from Saudi Arabia) invaded the country.
So, that is at least 7 countries if you count Palestine.



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That is a pretty bold statement when the truth is that only three countries tried to invade Israel during what was called the "Six Day War." Said countries include Syria, Egypt and Jordan.
You are confusing two different wars. The 6 Day War occurred in 1967, not in 1948. The 6 Day War was mostly against Eqypt.

What does a land locked country have to do with economics? Do you want me to list land locked countries with great economies? Or how about countries that are not land locked with terrible economies? How about Somalia? They have plenty of coastline. Or how about Mexico? Or how about a country like Japan with very little resources?

Economies are a reflection of several things, but having water near them is not one of them. In my opinion it is the government, the people, and trade that impacts your economy the most. Corrupt countries like Mexico, Palestine, and Somalia will always remain poor until their corruption is wiped out.

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